Message from @rivenator12113
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Where is it?
There is an article
Listed on that page
That article is for a whole other subject, it doesn't refute the anti-vaxxer main paper.
https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(13)00144-3/pdf?ext=.pdf
It proves that vaccines donβt cause autism
I mean, in the scientific community, if you can prove that a theory is flawed, this can justify why they said there are procedural errors in the first theory, also ethical violations
I just looked over the paper, ''The initial concerns that vaccines may cause autism were related to the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine1 and
thimerosal-containing vaccines.2 In 2004, a comprehensive review by the Institute of Medicine concluded that the
evidence favors rejection of possible causal associations between each of these vaccine types and autism.3''
The 3rd source leads to https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK25344/
Can you tell me where in the third source where it presents evidence against Wakefield?
Yes , 2004
The second study is from 2011
Eventually the first one had flaws in it, they did the study again in 2011
The most recent overcomes the older
Where is the evidence in the study made in 2011? All it talks is about the conclusive of the study without showing the whole study.
The 2004 study has more merit to it since it shows everything.
If you read the article you sent, the report is from 2011 and the study is from 2013 (not 2011 my bad).
The children of the study are aged 6-13 because for a study to be released must have passed 10 years
So the study from 2004 must have been done in the 90β
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3136032/ This is a better source to list next time
I can't even find Wakefield paper to contrast and compare it with the refutations. They removed his paper and there's no archive of it sigh
It is said is retracted?
And published in 1998
Well, Iβm not a doc
I have to go now bye
''scientific misrepresentation (they reported that their sampling was consecutive when, in fact, it was selective). This retraction was published as a small, anonymous paragraph in the journal, on behalf of the editors.[8]'' All the children had the same conditions according to Wakefield so the selective part is false. '' 12 children (mean age 6 years [range 3β10], 11 boys) were referred to a paediatric gastroenterology unit with a history of normal development followed by loss of acquired skills, including language, together with diarrhoea and abdominal pain.'' What I do agree is that the sample size is too small but I doubt they would ever let an independent doctor lead his anti-vaxx study on a fair sample size.
'' One child (child four) had received monovalent measles vaccine at 15 months, after which his development slowed (confirmed by professional assessors). No association was made with the vaccine at this time. He received a dose of measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine at age 4Β·5 years, the day after which his mother described a striking deterioration in his behaviour that she did link with the immunisation. Child nine received measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine at 16 months. At 18 months he developed recurrent antibioticresistant otitis media and the first behavioural symptoms, including disinterest in his sibling and lack of play. '' I don't see any refutations of this in the refuting paper against Wakefield
Well, I mean, even if there was a minimum risk of that, I would prefer not to die from a curable illness.
That won't happen for 80% of the population with a normal immune system, I do agree for vaccination with people who have weak immune systems.
Forced vaccinations violate human rights
Yeah, many schools have forced vaccinations with no parenting consent. '' If you don't vaccinate your kid we will kick him out '' is also unlawful
The problem is that viruses mutation hit even the vaccinated people so if you, for example, donβt vaccinate and you have this virus you can infect other people because the virus mutates in your body
Because the vaccine is for one antigen
But if virus mutates the antigen changes
Thats one another excuse
That is not an excuse
Well bs excuse
This is how viruses works
Oh yes
The antigen makes your immune system accustom to them thus making it weaker. You will always need a new vaccine since your body has never learned to fight that specific virus and now it has become stronger, they put you on a hook.