'no thats not true at all. You have no evidence. No thats not accurate'

can you explain why

It's not my fault that you are wrong a lot and dont substantiate your truth claims.

"No, that's not an implication. I have no idea how you got that." I clearly got that from you saying my point about 'do what you're already doing' being "NOTHING" like the maximizing wellbeing thing

clearly, if it has nothing to do with "What we're already doing" it is implied that we...are not already..doing it...

What are you even talking about? This makes no sense.

okay...so. What do you think like the basic motivational principles people act on are

It's different for everyone.

like take a hypothetical person that youre introducing the moral system of "Maximize wellbeing for yourself and those around you. We can measure wellbeing. " to. How will this change how they act? How were they acting before learning about this proposal?

Bro just read the Moral Landscape and your questions will be answered.

I don't have any more time for this, I have shit to do. I'll catch you later.

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K

Watched the video, didn't explain or address any of my questions. But okay

https://youtu.be/nHVR5-RnLj8?t=4554 you can watch from here to hear my question and hear pangburn say 'its how we attempt to live anyway'

1:18:00 - He says we're already acting this way, which is evolutionary, but cultural bugs are "getting in the way of it" - so my characterization is accurate insofar as it's saying "Do what you were already doing but stop letting cultural bugs influence you to make mistakes"

which was my original characterization

My problem is it's a bit disingenuous to just tell someone go read Sam Harris. he isn't speaking to Sam Harris He's speaking to you. @SunFlower @m.miller

You can say I'll find the exact same quote later. You can even go as far as to say honestly I'm not good at articulating this. But to push it off onto the other person is a bit much

@SunFlower am I right in surmising that your criticism is that there seems to be a gap between simply being cognizant of a concept vs the implimintation of said concept into behavior ?

Or even into society ?

yes, pretty much

That's a gr8 point and def move.the conversation along

its like telling someone who runs a hedge fund 'maximize your own profit and the profit of everyone invested in your hedge fund'

lol

Great idea! How?

unless they werent already trying to do that for some reason, i dont see how its a helpful thing to point out. and even if they werent doing it already, it doesnt give them any information on how to do it

you could also invoke the scientific method for how to get rich in the stock market

clearly its not that simple and tons of people lose all their money

I’ve always wondered maybe the reason why morality is so hard to explain is because it’s engrained in us evolutionarily, just like it’s hard to understand why we blink when we just do it. I’m sure there’s research done on this but it’d be impossible to totally prove.

That bc you can't control the stock market... And test it in a methodological way

you can def test it on some level

in a methodological way

its just not perfect

bc theres way too many variables

similar to human cognition and behavior

Well sure my language was not specific enough

I meant in a labratory environmet. With retest capability to eliminate enough variables to reach anything like %.5 variability

you could do that with a simulation of the market

just not the real one

But I’m rather saying it’s impossible to see how morality has evolved through millions of years of evolution. But ignore me I don’t wanna interrupt your guys argument

like the field of technical analysis is basically exactly that