What about before European colonialism?

Why was it so primitive?

They were backwards in every regard

Because of various different factors

Tell us

Like I said every group that’s visited Africa have called them violent stupid savages

The average iq in Africa is 70, that would make you mentally retarded in a western country

Exactly

So first you have really bad geography and no connections with different parts of the continent.
All the various groups lived in isolated pockets in the continent and they never had to advance past the tribal system of government

And now what is happening is that when the Europeans drew the borders is that you had different groups that have been rivals put together into a state so you cannot expect it to end well

Most African country end up fighting civil wars

And the natural resources are like a curse for them

Because they always have someone trying to take it so dictatorships become common

What about the Native Americans geography? Perfect almost in every way but they were still primitive societies, many of whom were still nomads who traveled with the migrating bison.

There are countries that have managed to get past this like Rwanda

Geography isn’t everything

A lot of Native Americans tribes were nomadic

They’ve been connected to the world for over 500 years, they’ve been decolonized for 100 years, China and South Korea were also colonized and yet they’re now two of the largest economies in the world while Africa is still a dirt poor shit hole

And the Spanish lost wars because there wasn't any territory that they could attack

So kinda like vietnam

The only places where modern state formations have happened was in China and Europe

By modern state in reffing to Max Weber's definition

China was divided up into many separate areas owned by many different powers and now they’re the second largest economy in the world

A community that successfully claims a monopoly over violence within a geographical area, which required it to have legitimate and legal authority.

> China was divided up into many separate areas owned by many different powers and now they’re the second largest economy in the world
@The Eternal Coloradoan Yeah because America outsourced it's industry to them

And Don't be fooled by the development in the costal areas of China

The rural parts are absolutely shit

And a lot of their development is smoke and mirrors

What? Bro? They lifted millions of people out of conditions which were arguably worse than Africa in just a few decades

Bro what’s your deal why do you cope for Africa so much but you pretty much shut on everywhere else

So you believe Africa had a rough start even though you:
1. Agree they were a backwards people.
2. Agree Geography doesn’t determine civilization.

Listen here's the thing, The CCP is concerned with something called face so they invest a lot into soft power and PR

Wtf does that have to do with anything?

The millions lifted out of poverty is only true about the people in the costal areas and class 1 cities

The fact that it is communist and it has been this successful should tell you something that the government itself probably doesn’t fucking matter more than the people living there

Like their SEZs

Because like I said earlier. Perfect geography like North America for ex. Can have an outcome of primitive societies. So geography doesn’t determine civilization.

It's not fucking communist you retard, they're more capitalists than America

The majority of Chinese do live in the coasts

China is mixed economy I think

I'm talking about the first class cities like Shenzhen