Message from @Obungus
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>Altruism
No it isn't
American imperialism is used to further our goals
So then you know that presenting it as a force of good is purely circumstantial.
Yes
In these cases it worked
But it is failing in the middle east
I guess if you're a 56% burger nationalist it's justifiable.
Not necessarily
I am saying that if there is an opportunity to establish a pro-American democracy somewhere in the world it is in our best interest to do so
Which pro-American democracies has America established?
and while our goals can be rather self-centered it helps the people that we do it to generally
Most importantly Korea and Japan
America established a dictatorship in Korea though. As well as Vietnam.
germany
and they only worked there because the populations were ready for it in my opinion
well Germany was already a functioning society
we helped re-establish what they already had
and we did rebuild europe
America has established countless dictatorships when it could get away with it. Obviously you can't replace a dictatorship with a dictatorship. As a PR move from the world's police it doesn't work.
I don't support that
But that's consistent American policy.
Yes it is
Like in Korea.
And I do not support it
However it can work and can end up being positive
But you do support realpolitik, which inevitably leads to foreign policy moves like supporting dictators.
It's playing with fire.
And I will remind you that we have every right to depose communist dictators across the globe
Which communist dictators?
Not in modern times
but back when we did that kind of stuff
We had every reason to
Actually in South America it was the habit of America to overthrow democratically elected socialist leaders who pretended to be communist to secure funding from the USSR by supporting anti-communist paramilitary organizations.
good
Or just plain out direct military intervention.
If they choose the enemy's side then they get what they deserve
They knew what would happen and still went through with it. Their fault.
But it was worse for the host countries. They got corrupt military juntas instead of democratically elected leaders who could have helped their country instead of selling out national interests to the MIC.
sucks to be a commie bastard