Message from @Obungus

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2018-06-28 14:58:43 UTC  

>Altruism

2018-06-28 14:58:57 UTC  

No it isn't

2018-06-28 14:59:09 UTC  

American imperialism is used to further our goals

2018-06-28 14:59:13 UTC  

So then you know that presenting it as a force of good is purely circumstantial.

2018-06-28 14:59:18 UTC  

Yes

2018-06-28 14:59:23 UTC  

In these cases it worked

2018-06-28 14:59:34 UTC  

But it is failing in the middle east

2018-06-28 14:59:37 UTC  

I guess if you're a 56% burger nationalist it's justifiable.

2018-06-28 14:59:48 UTC  

Not necessarily

2018-06-28 15:00:20 UTC  

I am saying that if there is an opportunity to establish a pro-American democracy somewhere in the world it is in our best interest to do so

2018-06-28 15:00:38 UTC  

Which pro-American democracies has America established?

2018-06-28 15:00:40 UTC  

and while our goals can be rather self-centered it helps the people that we do it to generally

2018-06-28 15:00:49 UTC  

Most importantly Korea and Japan

2018-06-28 15:01:06 UTC  

America established a dictatorship in Korea though. As well as Vietnam.

2018-06-28 15:01:08 UTC  

germany

2018-06-28 15:01:09 UTC  

and they only worked there because the populations were ready for it in my opinion

2018-06-28 15:01:19 UTC  

well Germany was already a functioning society

2018-06-28 15:01:31 UTC  

we helped re-establish what they already had

2018-06-28 15:01:40 UTC  

and we did rebuild europe

2018-06-28 15:02:03 UTC  

America has established countless dictatorships when it could get away with it. Obviously you can't replace a dictatorship with a dictatorship. As a PR move from the world's police it doesn't work.

2018-06-28 15:02:13 UTC  

Exactly

2018-06-28 15:02:17 UTC  

I don't support that

2018-06-28 15:02:26 UTC  

But that's consistent American policy.

2018-06-28 15:02:31 UTC  

Yes it is

2018-06-28 15:02:36 UTC  

Like in Korea.

2018-06-28 15:02:36 UTC  

And I do not support it

2018-06-28 15:02:49 UTC  

However it can work and can end up being positive

2018-06-28 15:03:10 UTC  

But you do support realpolitik, which inevitably leads to foreign policy moves like supporting dictators.

2018-06-28 15:03:19 UTC  

It's playing with fire.

2018-06-28 15:03:25 UTC  

And I will remind you that we have every right to depose communist dictators across the globe

2018-06-28 15:03:38 UTC  

Which communist dictators?

2018-06-28 15:03:43 UTC  

Not in modern times

2018-06-28 15:03:50 UTC  

but back when we did that kind of stuff

2018-06-28 15:04:00 UTC  

We had every reason to

2018-06-28 15:04:50 UTC  

Actually in South America it was the habit of America to overthrow democratically elected socialist leaders who pretended to be communist to secure funding from the USSR by supporting anti-communist paramilitary organizations.

2018-06-28 15:05:02 UTC  

good

2018-06-28 15:05:06 UTC  

Or just plain out direct military intervention.

2018-06-28 15:05:16 UTC  

If they choose the enemy's side then they get what they deserve

2018-06-28 15:05:42 UTC  

They knew what would happen and still went through with it. Their fault.

2018-06-28 15:06:06 UTC  

But it was worse for the host countries. They got corrupt military juntas instead of democratically elected leaders who could have helped their country instead of selling out national interests to the MIC.

2018-06-28 15:06:17 UTC  

sucks to be a commie bastard