Message from @oscar

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2018-09-03 16:29:57 UTC  

It seems to me as if you're merely just teaching a word

2018-09-03 16:30:01 UTC  

Praising a word

2018-09-03 16:30:07 UTC  

You teach virtue not through words, but by showing people how to muster their emotions to be disciplined

2018-09-03 16:30:31 UTC  

"muster their emotions to be disciplined"?

2018-09-03 16:30:39 UTC  

It's like strength training, there is a knowledge component in terms of skill, but they build that skill and they build their strength through practice

2018-09-03 16:30:41 UTC  

Are you implying that emotions must be cracked down upon?

2018-09-03 16:31:03 UTC  

That the very thing which separates man from beast must be destroyed

2018-09-03 16:31:25 UTC  

Animals most certainly have emotions

2018-09-03 16:31:50 UTC  

Oh, of course

2018-09-03 16:32:01 UTC  

they're certainly more fleshed out in humans, and we're able to express them to a greater degree

2018-09-03 16:32:06 UTC  

I'm talking in a more abstract sense, though

2018-09-03 16:32:17 UTC  

I suppose "beasts" or "monsters" would have been a more apt word

2018-09-03 16:32:29 UTC  

perhaps "machines", whatever word you care to use

2018-09-03 16:33:01 UTC  

Cracking down on emotions is a road to cruelty, to inexcusable behavior, not befitting of humankind

2018-09-03 16:33:23 UTC  

If you cannot control your emotions, you cannot keep promises, because you will only keep your promises until they become difficult and you no longer "feel" like it

2018-09-03 16:33:32 UTC  

I contend

2018-09-03 16:34:02 UTC  

That if one can "control" their emotions, they'd be more willing to break promises and oaths, as they'd feel no regret, no remorse, and no pity for having broken said agreement

2018-09-03 16:34:32 UTC  

Arguably, emotions reinforce oaths of loyalty and such

2018-09-03 16:34:43 UTC  

After all, it can be more pragmatic to backstab, lie, cheat, and steal

2018-09-03 16:34:50 UTC  

It's merely empathy keeping us in place

2018-09-03 16:37:01 UTC  

@Alice Redacted When you want to eat sugar and don't feel like exercising, your emotions are not a guide towards health. When you want to cheat on your spouse and then you feel guilty after cheating, the guilt wasn't an effective guide. Emotions are not rational. They don't plan ahead.

2018-09-03 16:37:24 UTC  

I'd argue that "love" is what prevents most from cheating on their spouse.

2018-09-03 16:37:25 UTC  

An emotion.

2018-09-03 16:37:29 UTC  

One major component of wisdom is developing the foresight to emotionally understand how acting poorly will effect you in the future at an emotional level

2018-09-03 16:37:36 UTC  

I'd argue that empathy is what prevents cruelty against other humans...

2018-09-03 16:38:01 UTC  

Hell, for instance,my current health eating habits aren't motivated by pragmatism, I'd just know I'd feel unhappy if I ate unhealthy foods and such

2018-09-03 16:38:18 UTC  

@Alice Redacted But when "love" wins out over lust, one emotion is winning out over another

2018-09-03 16:38:26 UTC  

@Alice Redacted no need to say "i'd argue" every time

2018-09-03 16:38:28 UTC  

Emotions are controlled

2018-09-03 16:38:35 UTC  

Odin.

2018-09-03 16:38:43 UTC  

What "pragmatic" reason is there to not cheat on your wife?

2018-09-03 16:38:52 UTC  

or to remain loyal to someone, despite a disadvantage?

2018-09-03 16:39:08 UTC  

Also, deal with it, 21.

2018-09-03 16:39:18 UTC  

Besides, we're ignoring the whole "humanitarian" angle

2018-09-03 16:39:37 UTC  

Shouldn't happiness be what all strive for?

2018-09-03 16:39:48 UTC  

Mind you, not recklessly so - but within reason

2018-09-03 16:40:10 UTC  

@Alice Redacted
You simply don't want the same thing all of the time. Wisdom in this case would be knowing that you need to muster your emotions so that you feel good in the future and that you act consistently with your greater emotional needs.

2018-09-03 16:40:46 UTC  

You cannot simply do whatever you feel like doing and act consistently with all emotions at all times. Some emotions are stronger at some times, and they contradict each other.

2018-09-03 16:40:51 UTC  

Are you talking about impulse control?

2018-09-03 16:40:56 UTC  

Impulses aren't emotions

2018-09-03 16:41:07 UTC  

Emotions aren't impulses