Message from @Summī Imperator, 呪い殿
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there's still plenty of other reasons to actually care about the environment
We're using resources unsustainable fast, many of which are nonrenewable
also, ice sheets and rising sea levels be damned, smog and other forms of pollution are pretty unhealthy
mass <:unequal:473954748517842954> volume
volume is the issue when it comes to rising sea levels
wait nvm that's not relevant
This is a decision that should be entirely left up to local communities. One can focus on industry, while another on conservation. Let the people decide which is the better place to live for there needs and interests
But if one local community makes too big of an impact it ruins it for others @campodin
The whole “ you have the freedom to swing your fist so long as it doesn’t hit my nose”
It takes more than one local community to "ruin it for others" unless they are just dumping toxins in the water supply or the like. But that goes beyond developing industry. Not causing harm to others is not the same as conservation
So then it shouldn't be up to the local community?
Because who decides what is and is not right when the community that has decided this is fine and it works for them, but the other community is disproportionately affected by that choice?
It's far easier to dump toxins than to clean them.
The question was on industry vs conservation. That is what I was addressing. Not allowing someone to dump toxins in the drinking water is not the same as conservation.
Conservation is trying to preserve the state of nature, and maintain a healthy amount of biodiversity in your environment. Disallowing actions like dumping toxic waste is for the purpose of preserving human life and health.
erm not nessecarily
One local community alone cannot ruin conservation efforts
No? So say a community decides to build a dam
And that floods a large portion of the land the other community was focusing conservation efforts.
In turn this causes the fish to stop reproducing as they can no longer get to their spawning grounds.
This leads to a build up of heavy metals in the water and algae blooms due to nothing eating the algae anymore. This leads to the water becoming toxic and deoxidized.
This isn't a hypothetical either. This is what is happening in Quebec.
If you honestly believe that one can not ruin something for the many then you're ignorant, or you don't care.
@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 first off, who built that dam?
It would be the one who chose industry.
Not my question
The community needs electricity to run machines.
Unless you mean that ultimately the decision lies with the state to build a dam.
No
Who built that dam?
Uh...
In Quebec
Oh, well that's stupid. It was Quebec.
The one you used as an example
So the province allowed it.
In other words not a local community
And the utility used the authority to build it.
It was allowed by the community.
Via the Democratic process.
And lack of resistance.
Democratic process is awful, but that is a side point