Message from @The Big Oof
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which raped, pillaged, and murdered plenty of others
And what did I just say in response?
""What I'm trying to point out
is that you shouldn't be proud your nation killed a fuck ton of people"
You shouldn't , correct, but you shouldn't hate yourself for something your ancestors did when tons of other nations tried the same thing"
That is why other nations were brought in
If I've got some cognitive dissonance you most certainly do too, by sticking up for those values
Except I didn't
anyhow
brb for like 30 seconds
You should quote me where I defended that
You argue like every other leftist, lol, even if you were not a leftist, you nonetheless think like one
The leftist has a black and white view of the world, and therefore, shape the image of their opponents into unrealistic caricatures.
which, ironically enough, results in the same happening to you
I mean, you proclaimed "Values is the incorrect term, the correct wording should be self pride", in a discussion of whether europeans should stick to their values or not
so there was most certainly at least implied, if not outright support, for europeans having pride
"They should be proud to be European"
is a far cry from "They should be proud that their ancestors kills and pillaged"
Total misrepresentation
Why should one be proud to be European?
You show no charity, I show you none
Our discussion, actually
Was about the tragedies committed by europeans
about how european power rests upon a throne of corpses
yes, I disagree with that
Well then I think you're wrong
I don't think Chinese people should pride themselves in their ethnicity.
They absolutely should
Why do you have that opinion?
Why?
Jews should to
Why should they be proud>
Why?
How about let me answer the question
Nah, I did the same thing to you earlier
you can
so it's okay
I'm not preventing you
I'll show the courtesy of not mocking your responses
by proclaiming 'muh nationalism' and 'muh skin color'
then dismissing them outright, or using whataboutisms to distract from the horrors which occurred
They should be proud of being who they are because self hatred leads to the same situation Europe is in now:
Total decadence, a lack of concern about the future, and outright hatred of your own which is replaced by a preference for foreigners who do not care about their nations as much as they will and will always see themselves as part of a different group except for some fringe cases @SilverLining
Jews should do this, too
Muslims should do this,
Everyone should do this
but yeah, if you can explain why a german should take pride in being "german", a vague notion which has meant countless things historically, then go ahead