Because I guess my experiences in leftist circles

seeing people actively fight for what they believe in

They're there for moral and social points, which is why they protest and rally around the dumbest fucking shit

for what they believe needs to be done

And go after targets that make no sense

is just "virtue signalling"

Razor.

I don't believe you. You're clearly a biased source. I'd assume you don't believe my experiences, either

Also, who are you to judge?

I've rarely met an "environmental activist" in my personal life who lived up to their own standards

you don't claim that they don't know what they're fighting for

just that they're "lying"

which you clearly wouldn't be able to tell

"What's wrong with foreigners"

Do you think a white man in China will consider himself Chinese?

Do you think his children will consider themselves Chinese?

Does it matter?

No.

hahahahaha

You've yet to prove why the vague notion of a national identity matters

and actually, yes

"Why does it matter if you have people in your country that don't identify with it"

given enough time, and acceptance by the government

they would

oh fuck, you're right

Exile all dissidents

my bad

sure, you might be born here, but you don't truly love our nation

Hell, I'm a natural born, pasty, white American, I don't really identify as American. I accept I was born here, I feel no loyalty towards America

You like to say a lot of bullshit without giving anyone time to explain, so instead you just argue what you perceive to be their position for them and then have an argument with yourself

I'm loyal to my ideals

also

Should you continue, I will simply not respond

Why should people be loyal to nations?

I'm pointing out how your argument makes no sense when taken to its logical conslusion

Unless you're just arguing that xenophobia is a good thing

Except you haven't, you introduce a new point and then argue against my perceived response, and when I respond, you're already halfway through arguing with yourself, so now I have to repeat that again, rinse and repeat

Seems like my characterization of you was ironically correct

Go ahead and answer why one should be loyal to nations, then

I'll wait.

but I don't really see how

You view the world in black and white where there can only be your position or a different one