Message from @The Big Oof

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2018-09-09 00:26:16 UTC  

This worldview enables me to determine how I should act in any given scenario, what I should do and what I should not do.

2018-09-09 00:27:03 UTC  

Peak materialism.

2018-09-09 00:27:05 UTC  

I don't like that

2018-09-09 00:27:12 UTC  

Should someone with down syndrome reproduce?

2018-09-09 00:27:46 UTC  

@εïз irma εïз I don't think you understand what materialism means

2018-09-09 00:27:54 UTC  

Irma has an extremely high IQ

2018-09-09 00:28:00 UTC  

No, I don't think that you do.

2018-09-09 00:28:01 UTC  

Just wait until you witness it

2018-09-09 00:28:06 UTC  

Materialism doesn't just mean "I like stuff".

2018-09-09 00:28:19 UTC  

You are reducing existence to the aspect of material reality.

2018-09-09 00:28:24 UTC  

Materialism is a form of philosophical monism which holds that matter is the fundamental substance in nature, and that all things, including mental aspects and consciousness, are results of material interactions.

2018-09-09 00:28:34 UTC  

That's exactly what you're doing.

2018-09-09 00:28:55 UTC  

So quite literally I am not a materialist according to this definition because I don't believe that all things, including mental aspects and consciousness, are results of material interactions.

2018-09-09 00:29:22 UTC  

Believing that human existence is reduced to our impetus for reproduction is very much a materialist position.

2018-09-09 00:29:45 UTC  

No it isn't. I am a dualist. You don't understand materialism

2018-09-09 00:29:59 UTC  

Materialism is a broad philosophy and this is actually one of the most common viewpoints of materialists.

2018-09-09 00:30:12 UTC  

Again I literally don't believe that all things are reducible to matter

2018-09-09 00:30:24 UTC  

@εïз irma εïз It's one of the cornerstones of Levayan Satanism

2018-09-09 00:30:28 UTC  

But you are reducing our existence to perpetuation of genes.

2018-09-09 00:30:36 UTC  

That's materialist as fuck.

2018-09-09 00:30:36 UTC  

*laveyan

2018-09-09 00:30:39 UTC  

lol see I knew you didn't get it

2018-09-09 00:30:55 UTC  

you're conflating two things that aren't the same

2018-09-09 00:31:20 UTC  

You can either better explain your position or condescend from an ivory tower.

2018-09-09 00:31:26 UTC  

Materialism isn't a moral system

2018-09-09 00:31:28 UTC  

But everything you've said is materialist.

2018-09-09 00:31:41 UTC  

Do you know what the 3 views on matter and mind are

2018-09-09 00:31:48 UTC  

Moral systems can be based on utilitarian materialism, which is exactly what you're describing.

2018-09-09 00:32:19 UTC  

Everything we do is for the purpose of spreading our genes -> only what does this is considered moral

2018-09-09 00:32:24 UTC  

This is utilitarian materialism.

2018-09-09 00:33:10 UTC  

I have a correction to make:
Earlier I said "I am an idealist."
That was a mistake. I am not an idealist, I am a dualist.

2018-09-09 00:33:26 UTC  

That might be the source of the confusion.

2018-09-09 00:33:45 UTC  

You explained your position and I firmly believe it's materialist.

2018-09-09 00:33:52 UTC  

I'm not getting tied up in what you call yourself.

2018-09-09 00:34:11 UTC  

Do we agree that materialism is a term with a standard definition

2018-09-09 00:34:40 UTC  

You gave me the definition of materialism, which is a broad philosophy. I agree with the definition you gave, and firmly believe it applies here.

2018-09-09 00:34:47 UTC  

Okay, excellent.

2018-09-09 00:34:53 UTC  

You're reducing human existence to the material, aka, the spread of genes.

2018-09-09 00:34:59 UTC  

I do not believe that matter is the fundamental substance in nature, and that all things, including mental aspects and consciousness, are results of material interactions.

2018-09-09 00:35:15 UTC  

I believe that matter is ONE fundamental substance in nature along with the imaterial

2018-09-09 00:35:25 UTC  

So you may not be a materialist but what you're articulating is a firmly materialist position.