Enigmatic why do you keep bringing up crises of over production in capitalism btw

I'm bringing up mass production because we need to mass produce

and while factories will possibly be reduced

they have to stay aswell

This gets more technical if we get into more detail for example glass factories need to be constantly moving or the glass cools and everything breaks meaning there is a minimum amount of glass bottles needing to be produced

as they existed in the soviet union

we need to mass produce to support the population btw I forgot to mention

The Soviet Union is a whole other thing

do you agree it was Socialist?

Depends on what you mean

how do you define Socialism

I have a fairly broad definition of Socialism

It had some sections of the economy that operated on socialist principles

as far as definitions go

I use socialism like Marx did

As interchangeable with communism

So no nation has ever been Socialist?

or communist except for Catalonia?

If I'm right, the most basic definition of socialism is:
The distribution of goods and money equally among the populace

Catalonia was less socialist than the USSR

But socialism existed in the USSR

I don't think Socialism should strive for equality of outcome

But it's not a great example of what reaching a genuine stage of socialist production would look like, especially in the 21st century

Socialism isn't about equality at all

of course

It's about the abolition of class distinctions

I mean even in a socialist state class will exist to an extent

it will either be the political elite

and the non-political

I think it's a defining feature of socialism tbh

and we'll probably still have wealth inequality

just not to an extreme degree

Because production for use, the abolition of the commodity form and such are not uniquely socialist

(but what do you defind as class distinction? like social treatment or something?

Only common ownership and the abolition of class is uniquely socialist

it's hard to say Zusheng

we could use an economical view

Classes are defined by your relationship to production

like that

but even with that definition