Message from @woz

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2018-12-02 10:15:38 UTC  

I dont know, my English isnt the best yet anyway

2018-12-02 10:15:52 UTC  

You should believe in your spirit

2018-12-02 10:16:30 UTC  

depends on how your approach your *spirits*

2018-12-02 10:17:03 UTC  

The spirit of a thing is the essence of it

2018-12-02 10:17:18 UTC  

not a single philosophy of the world seem to have an issue with being both an intelligent and individual spiritual being, and those who find the *spirit* to be merely an outcome of physically cooperating body parts cant disagree either

2018-12-02 10:17:23 UTC  

The spirit of a hammer if you believe in it is the understated purpose. Anything hammer like would be a hammer

2018-12-02 10:17:33 UTC  

For a car is that too

2018-12-02 10:17:36 UTC  

that's logically flawed

2018-12-02 10:17:49 UTC  

For a man the spirit is the spirit of man

2018-12-02 10:18:03 UTC  

you're discussing ideas

2018-12-02 10:18:19 UTC  

and ideas may vary, at least in theory, indifinetely amongst themselves

2018-12-02 10:18:24 UTC  

A car is a car in its totality is not the engine nor the wheels but the totality

2018-12-02 10:18:28 UTC  

It has a purpose

2018-12-02 10:18:40 UTC  

there are infinite amount of ideas and calling somebody an avatar of idea of "human" is something poorly precised

2018-12-02 10:19:29 UTC  

I cant define what a flower exactly is.
I can define the purpose of specific parts that make up a flower

2018-12-02 10:19:38 UTC  

Anything that does what a car does could be considered a car

2018-12-02 10:19:42 UTC  

it is a recursive scheme of defining a global variable

2018-12-02 10:19:59 UTC  

not really

2018-12-02 10:20:00 UTC  

Yes you can define a flower

2018-12-02 10:20:09 UTC  

But there is also an spirit of the flower

2018-12-02 10:20:17 UTC  

There is a paradox about it.

2018-12-02 10:20:31 UTC  

in dont believe in spirits, I could only relate to *ideas*

2018-12-02 10:20:34 UTC  

in a plato's sort of way

2018-12-02 10:20:42 UTC  

It’s only a paradox from a logical perspective.

2018-12-02 10:21:35 UTC  

```that raises the question of whether a ship—standing for an object in general—that has had all of its components replaced remains fundamentally the same object. ```

2018-12-02 10:21:46 UTC  

Spirit is the essence of the thing

2018-12-02 10:21:53 UTC  

"ship—standing for an object"
"that has had all of its components replaced remains fundamentally the same object. "
it doesnt remain the same

2018-12-02 10:22:00 UTC  

and thinking otherwise is a flawed concept

2018-12-02 10:22:08 UTC  

Spirit wise it does

2018-12-02 10:22:17 UTC  

idea-wise it does

2018-12-02 10:22:35 UTC  

it represents a physical form of an idea

2018-12-02 10:22:51 UTC  

of a ship that is defined as:
"...."
that performs actions such as:
"..."

2018-12-02 10:23:03 UTC  

it is an object of a class

2018-12-02 10:23:08 UTC  

like in programming or mathematics

2018-12-02 10:23:31 UTC  

you could define ideas as some sort of more or less narrow classes for objects

2018-12-02 10:23:44 UTC  

and a physical object would define a class that isnt physically existing

2018-12-02 10:24:06 UTC  

the thing about is that classes may be infinite, as many you can think of

2018-12-02 10:24:11 UTC  

Yes you could say that but no need to do programming

2018-12-02 10:24:49 UTC  

```This theory states that two ships, while identical in all other ways, are not identical if they exist at two different times. Each ship-at-time is a unique "event". So even without replacement of parts, the ships in the harbour are different at each time```
also nothing really new, I had the same idea reading just a sci-fi novel 6 years ago

2018-12-02 10:25:11 UTC  

The classes were set by the creator himself