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These would be capitalist
Hitler allowed businesses to do whatever they wanted to a certain point
wait we'll get there
Ok so
fascism is not anti market, it basically proposes the market to work in favour of native population rather than international investors and banks
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Wait wait
we're not there yet
Another thing I'd like to clarrify
National socialism is not fascism
but a form of it
But here is why national socialism is a form of socialism
Yes, but it is being used as an example
Capitalism is an individualist system, that's not something anyone can argue with and since socialism is collectivist and that Nazi Germany was a collectivist movement, there's no question that Hitler was a socialist. You can't say NAZI Germany wasn't collectivist but deny that Hitler was not using a form of socialism
-All day care and education were free. High schools were taken over by the government and college tuition was subsidized. Everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing.
-The tax rates were extremely high, high as 80% I believe.
-"As Ludwig Von Mises once correctly observed, the German economy under Hitler was not capitalist at all….
What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.
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-Privatisation was just in name as the state really owned the companies due to their regulation and such. The business "owners" would be told what to make, when to make and how much to make.
-Hitler Nationalised healthcare, churches, automobile industry, the press so he could control what people heard and watched.
-Hitler created trade unions such as the German Labour front.
Fascism is anti market
The German Labour front was not what you think
strong state intervention in the economy
it was there to force people to work
correct
collectivist
You just outlined a corporatist economy above
Thats a national socialist economy
a form of socialism
yes
Corporatism is not socialism
Corporationist would be different , as it would not be repressed
yes I know
this is national socialist
not corporationist
`Everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing`
this is only true to an extent
How so?
These policies were abandoned after a certain point
oh so he ditched national socialism
well then
National socialism in theory is a form of socialism
Whether or not he followed it exactly
Strasserism is definitely socialism