Message from @sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ
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or that is corporationism
It's corporatism
Not socialism
then that isn't capitalism
Right
Yes correct
yes
Ok now state socialism
I'm not disagreeing
define that
It is corporatism
yeah I know just clarifying
A somewhat dirty definition of state socialism is when the state owns the means of production and redistributes everything
which isn't the same as state capitalism
that is socialism
in itself
yes
no need to call it state
Ok so we got that
Do you agree even if the means of production are private , if there is heavy state intervention in the market. It would be considered socialism?
Because if you look at business freedom in Venezeula, it's below repressed...
and repressed is socialist
it depends on what is being seized. If small enterprise is allowed but large enterprises are nationalized, it's more or less market socialism
depending on how they are run of course
As in theres strong state intervention
let me show you
which is not at all how Nazi Germany was run btw
These would be socialist countries
Even if that's your definition of socialism
Nazi Germany was a free-enterprise driven economy
These would be capitalist
Hitler allowed businesses to do whatever they wanted to a certain point
wait we'll get there
Ok so
fascism is not anti market, it basically proposes the market to work in favour of native population rather than international investors and banks
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Wait wait
we're not there yet