Ok

It goes up to fall of constantinople

as Voltaire famously pointed out

It wasn't holy, It wasn't roman, It wasn't an empire

Ok

2559 if you add HRE @Not as Depressed Gaddafi

I wouldn't however

Ok

And the USA could fall soon

If a 2nd Great Depression

The US might have another civil war

Happens

2nd civil war would be a blowout

@Not as Depressed Gaddafi

Right Wingers are the one's who are trained with guns

and control most of the country

including the food

and oil

Well

You see

One misconception is

All leftists are anti guns

And Clinton doesn’t mean left wing

Conservatism is center right

As it’s a more moderate viewpoint

Depends the conservatism you speak of

American conservatism

Is center right

@Da_Fish

eh

depends which conservative

PaleoCons are more right wing

same with Libertarians

but most would reject that label

@Da_Fish most Democrats in America are center left

Depends which one

As all democrats, except for democratic socialists

The republican and democratic parties are so big tent because they are duopolies

All support capitalism

Most democrats are social democrats