Message from @sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ
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National socialism is a form of socialism
and a form of fascism
read what I wrote
Yeah, saying Fascism is left winged because of hitler's actions doesn't work
I mean, as a statement.
Jesus it's huge
No I mean read what I wrote
Oh
National Socialism is more like Socialism + Nationalism.
Obviously Authoritarian, but not 100% Fascist.
I mean, some say it wasn't even fascist.
thats why it's a form of socialism
not a copy
Look, you said Fascism is left winged.
Thus, we're talking about Fascism and not National Socialism.
And since Fascism =/= National Socialism, I can't see what you want to prove.
I didn't say fascism is left wing
i said it's a form of socialism
Same thing, wrong again.
If you want to see if Fascism is left or right winged, you need to read the Fascist manifesto, not to investigate Hitler's economic moves.
as I wrote
Capitalism is an individualist system, that's not something anyone can argue with and since socialism is collectivist and that Nazi Germany was a collectivist movement, there's no question that Hitler was a socialist. You can't say NAZI Germany wasn't collectivist but deny that Hitler was not using a form of socialism
-All day care and education were free. High schools were taken over by the government and college tuition was subsidized. Everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing.
-The tax rates were extremely high, high as 80% I believe.
-"As Ludwig Von Mises once correctly observed, the German economy under Hitler was not capitalist at all….
What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.
"
-Privatisation was just in name as the state really owned the companies due to their regulation and such. The business "owners" would be told what to make, when to make and how much to make.
-Hitler Nationalised healthcare, churches, automobile industry, the press so he could control what people heard and watched.
-Hitler created trade unions such as the German Labour front.
@Koninos That was his economic values
and i've seen the doctorine
I am *not* going to read that.
It is terribly huge.
And I'm terribly lazy.
And yeah, that was his economic beliefs, but how can you use that as an argument, since Hitler wasn't considered Fascist (by many)?
Also taxes of 80%?
National socialism would be a form of socialism
yes
as high as 80%
National Socialism is indeed a form of Socialism, but not Fascism.
80% taxes lmao.
@sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ "fascism is a form of socialism"
I use to think that way, but need be a distinction between socialism of the communists and Socialism of the fascists
A distinction between fascism and national Socialism must be made as well
They are not kin
They are separate
lol, national socialism isn't marxist socialism though
Obviously not.