Message from @Marini

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2018-06-15 21:31:45 UTC  

Who keeps people working for free?

2018-06-15 21:31:56 UTC  

Why don't they say screw this and stop

2018-06-15 21:32:09 UTC  

What stops them?

Jfc let me give yoi a comprehensive run down once discord opens

2018-06-15 21:32:13 UTC  

WHO stops them?

2018-06-15 21:32:38 UTC  

just to make it clear, are we talking about socialism or proper communism?

2018-06-15 21:32:54 UTC  

I'm pretty sure proper communism?

2018-06-15 21:33:04 UTC  

So who makes sure everything stays free?

2018-06-15 21:33:12 UTC  

Who makes sure the workers do a good job?

ok im on PC

2018-06-15 21:33:24 UTC  

Who stops people from being communist?

2018-06-15 21:33:30 UTC  

Who leads the party?

that's not a question you can answer 100% directly without completely understanding the marxist viewpoint

so i'm going to explain all that first of all]

2018-06-15 21:33:51 UTC  

there won't be any party in a communist society

**and then answer**

2018-06-15 21:33:57 UTC  

You're literally saying I'm just not smart enough

2018-06-15 21:34:10 UTC  

Who leads the freaking country then?

no i'm saying you don't understand our viewpoint in completeness so taking seperated fragmenets

doesn't actually make any sense

2018-06-15 21:34:23 UTC  

Who keeps citizens in the country?

2018-06-15 21:34:25 UTC  

he said there's something you don't know, not that you're dumb

but anyways let me begin

2018-06-15 21:34:42 UTC  

Ok shoot

first of all Marx was influenced by Hegel's 'slave-master dialetic' which poses as kind of conflict

lets say you have a society with a slave and a master, the master gains their power from having the slave obedient

2018-06-15 21:35:27 UTC  

All I'm asking is who leads the military that defends the people?

but there comes a point of realization that **the slave doesn't need the master**

hence revolution and they attempt to get rid of the master

2018-06-15 21:35:50 UTC  

Ok so the master is gone now what?

marxists believe this is the driving force of all of history

2018-06-15 21:36:05 UTC  

Everything is free, who wants to work?

well untill all contradictions that arise for the 'master' power disappear

there will just arise a new one

for example feudalism was overthrown by the 'liberal' revolution

but they perserved private property that led to the rise of the capitalist class

2018-06-15 21:36:33 UTC  

So you're saying for communism to work

and the proleterian

2018-06-15 21:36:40 UTC  

The entire world has to be communist

2018-06-15 21:36:45 UTC  

With 0 opposition

2018-06-15 21:36:48 UTC  

and 0 leadership