Message from Lancelot in The Ice Wall #vaxx-discussions


2019-03-16 19:51:44 UTC  

speak

2019-03-16 19:52:00 UTC  

yup

2019-03-16 19:52:08 UTC  

ok let me give it a quick look

2019-03-16 19:53:08 UTC  

here's another study to read

2019-03-16 19:53:34 UTC  

so IL-6 is involved in a lot of mental conditions or conditions in the CNS?

2019-03-16 19:53:46 UTC  

both

2019-03-16 19:53:56 UTC  

yeah that was meant to be an and mb

2019-03-16 19:54:59 UTC  

I think AHCC would be safer in general, since that's not occuring in the form of nanoparticles like aluminum hydroxide or aluminum phosphate would, yet still has adjuvant activity

2019-03-16 19:57:30 UTC  

this study has some indication on that, which should be further researched

2019-03-16 19:58:40 UTC  

so yeah there's definitely an argument for that but when taking things from organic sources and then putting them into another organism's muscle tissues or bloodstream can have undesired consequences due to the nature of organic compounds but i would also argue that it may be more expensive than the aluminium compounds used and from what i'm aware of will carry more risk of being synthesised into an undesired compounds

2019-03-16 19:58:41 UTC  

furthermore there's no neurological adverse reaction reported

2019-03-16 19:59:17 UTC  

there may not be a neurological effect to the injections but it might prolong responses at the site of injection

2019-03-16 19:59:58 UTC  

depends on what happens to the aluminum, but a mechanism behind this could also be going through the lymphatic system, not just the bloodstream

2019-03-16 20:00:48 UTC  

by first getting 'eaten' by macrophages, that then go into the lymphatic system. If these macrophages brake down in that system, the aluminum nanoparticles are released and can go to the brain

2019-03-16 20:01:05 UTC  

thus causing the same immunostimulation in the brain, which is unintentional

2019-03-16 20:02:25 UTC  

one of my teachers did part of his degree in natural sciences (basically u choose the courses from all fields) and one of his fields was organic compounds to inorganic synthesis and that includes both directions of synthesis and with the use of aluminium there is much less risk of synthesis producing an undesired compound whether it is inorganic or organic than using an organic compound

2019-03-16 20:03:42 UTC  

yeah i get where you're coming from and there are advantages to ur idea but as i've mentioned using organic compounds can still carry risks of unintended synthesis

2019-03-16 20:03:52 UTC  

that's understandable, where I've got another idea to find a safer way to get the intended compound

2019-03-16 20:03:59 UTC  

through extracting the AHCC from shiitake mushrooms

2019-03-16 20:05:15 UTC  

ok so fair enough but it's still an organic compound so still runs the risk of having unintended consequences which may make the vaccines unviable due to there being too greater risk for what is being vaccinated against

2019-03-16 20:05:34 UTC  

indeed

2019-03-16 20:05:44 UTC  

do you also believe the US has excess vaccines?

2019-03-16 20:06:35 UTC  

furthermore, organic compounds, even synthetic organic compounds have been injected in patients with other conditions. For instance, you have a nurse injecting haldol in a schizophrenia patient

2019-03-16 20:09:32 UTC  

i'm not entirely sure about excess vaccines bc idk how long they can be stored and in what conditions they need to be stored in as that's not where my knowledge lies. when i say synthesis i mean your body reacting the compounds to create new compounds (synthesis literally meaning creation/creation of)

2019-03-16 20:10:23 UTC  

you can compare the US vaccine schedule to Iceland's vaccine schedule

2019-03-16 20:10:38 UTC  

the US has most vaccines in schedule compared to other nations

2019-03-16 20:11:18 UTC  

ah right yeah that would make sense tbh as it is one of the largest HICs if not the largest

2019-03-16 20:13:43 UTC  

in my nation, nearly half of the nurses don't take the flu shot LOL

2019-03-16 20:14:51 UTC  

yeah u can usually rely on herd immunisation tbf

2019-03-16 20:15:18 UTC  

happens always with flu, natural immunisation

2019-03-16 20:15:49 UTC  

there's however a difference between natural immunisation and vaccination about the antibodies and which parts of the immune system are involved

2019-03-16 20:16:18 UTC  

getting the flu is worth more than a flu shot

2019-03-16 20:16:30 UTC  

yeah true but also note that the flu is a good way to get off of work if u would get sick pay and it's unlikely to kill u anyway

2019-03-16 20:16:57 UTC  

i don't take the flu shot either

2019-03-16 20:18:44 UTC  

ngl you should def take vaccine if you dont want to be fucked

2019-03-16 20:18:59 UTC  

my parents where anti vax and i ended up getting blood tetanus

2019-03-16 20:19:02 UTC  

bloody

2019-03-16 20:19:20 UTC  

to that, I would say that some vaccines are necessary

2019-03-16 20:19:22 UTC  

so unless your wanna experince worse pain in your life for months on end