Message from @DrPeper
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except america
Okay I mean MaΕri people did invent modern trench warfare
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building a ditch isnt some advanced technology
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But utilising it is something that gave them an edge over the empire and secured their rights
Which Europeans didn't think of
of what? building a hole in the ground?
I mean... America was the first to hide behind stuff
building holes in the gound isnt hard <:angery:486195953410244608>
Youre overestimating 17th century warfare
nah
Networks of connected trenches
Made in ways to confuse the enemy
digging holes, while ground breaking, isnt difficult
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because puns are great
though, that one was a bit dirty
Respect native people
Imagine being into history and dismissing all history from brown people
what history would you be dismissig :3
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nothing important i can think of
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@I-VaPE-ChEMtrAiLS Trenches were incredibly common through out European military history. The earliest example I can recall them being used as battle tactic is in the Hundred Years' War where English forces routinely dug pits footholes & trenches in efforts to stop French cavalry charges. Aside from this, it was routine for siege warfare in which one side would carve trenches up to the forifications of a castle and then mine tunnels underneath of the walls to collapse them.
Since every knight was expected to understand siege warfare, it's reasonable to extrapolate that almost said knights knew what a trench was and how it could be used in battle. An example of "trench warfare" in European history would be the Siege of Vienna ca. 1529; in which Austrian Habsburg infantry would sally out in suicide attempts to prevent Turkish engineers from detonating charges beneath city walls.
Then we have nothing
Also, Japanese forces in the Senogku Jidai would commonly erect bamboo fences and dig pits with which to shield musketmen. Innovations in gunpowder & pike style warfare were pretty much what enables Oda Nobunaga to perform as well he didβthis took place at the exact same time as the Habsburg-Ottoman Wars. Really, it's fair to say that since we have examples of European Middle Eastern Asian & Aborignees using trenches it's fair to conclude everyone did in fact comprehend digging holes.
Thanks for the history lesson with the massive bulidup to making me feel like an idiot
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pepe's puns are the best thing ive read all day
Although to be fair
Peeper needs to respecc native peoples history more
@TheRockisCookin You meant to say 18th Century Warfare. Besides, it was early as the times of Khan Uriyangqadai that the Dai Viet would utilize stealth-tactics to defeat a much larger foe. Though they didn't always maintain independence, their fighting spirit continued on in spite of repeated invasion at the hands of the Chinese Empire in many of its' successive nominally dynastic forms. C'mon mate, you're an American, you should respect people who bled to death in the jungles of Vietnam. For shame.
@I-VaPE-ChEMtrAiLS he was probably joking nat
like pretending to be one of those stuck-up, america-saves-the-world white nutcases
America saves the world unless that world lay upon the continent named South America.
Throw in the towel globies