Message from @April

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2019-03-16 01:51:06 UTC  

at which point we arrive at the "how do you prevent opposing ideologies from attacking"

2019-03-16 01:51:32 UTC  

so some anarchists have gotten the idea to *use* capitalist systems to help enforce anarchism

2019-03-16 01:51:37 UTC  

So someone takes a gun and says "well i control this land now and if you dont like it you die"

2019-03-16 01:51:38 UTC  

at least for the time being

2019-03-16 01:51:43 UTC  

right

2019-03-16 01:51:46 UTC  

that's how capitalism functions

2019-03-16 01:51:52 UTC  

you basically have to threaten the person

2019-03-16 01:52:04 UTC  

Which is against anarchism?

2019-03-16 01:52:07 UTC  

in today's society we abstract that threat

2019-03-16 01:52:19 UTC  

we go "if you dont' get off my land, I'll call the police who will then hurt you"

2019-03-16 01:52:30 UTC  

right

2019-03-16 01:52:54 UTC  

so how some anarchists go about fixing this problem is by owning things under capitalism, but then making access anarchistic

2019-03-16 01:53:04 UTC  

in copyright terms this is called "copyleft"

2019-03-16 01:53:24 UTC  

the idea is that using the copyright system they say that anyone can use it, but they *must* also adopt the copyleft model

2019-03-16 01:53:51 UTC  

for copyrighted works and software it works well, since anyone who uses it then provides their changes for everyone else

2019-03-16 01:54:12 UTC  

for physical stuff we can see groups that buy land and then allow people to squat there

2019-03-16 01:54:17 UTC  

or buy food and share it with the poor

2019-03-16 01:54:33 UTC  

and of course anarchists still participate in capitalism (we have to pretty much)

2019-03-16 01:54:38 UTC  

so we all have our own things as well

2019-03-16 01:54:42 UTC  

I see

2019-03-16 01:54:51 UTC  

because we don't live under anarchism just yet

2019-03-16 01:54:57 UTC  

but we can still try to adopt anarchist ideas

2019-03-16 01:55:13 UTC  

one big issue people tend to have is "I don't want to share my toothbrush" or whatever

2019-03-16 01:55:31 UTC  

which the anarchist response is: we have more than enough products for everyone to have one

2019-03-16 01:55:43 UTC  

something like phones we have so many of that not all of them can be used at once

2019-03-16 01:55:47 UTC  

no need to share

2019-03-16 01:56:03 UTC  

though we *could* go further and say things like game consoles or tvs can be shared

2019-03-16 01:56:11 UTC  

even though it's largely unneeded

2019-03-16 01:56:26 UTC  

Well

2019-03-16 01:56:29 UTC  

the sharing would cut down on production which can help drive a sustainable economy

2019-03-16 01:56:43 UTC  

if a group wants to be in power they can do it just like that

2019-03-16 01:56:44 UTC  

usually anarchists are also anti-consumption

2019-03-16 01:56:54 UTC  

right

2019-03-16 01:56:59 UTC  

anarchists don't want to be "in power"

2019-03-16 01:57:03 UTC  

we want to live freely

2019-03-16 01:57:49 UTC  

IMO having everyone able to live comfortably and freely is much more important than letting a minority enforce their will onto others

2019-03-16 01:58:11 UTC  

it's a long road to get to the world I envision, but IMO it's worth it

2019-03-16 01:58:28 UTC  

Not everyone is an anarchist tho

2019-03-16 01:58:54 UTC  

and some people will want power

2019-03-16 01:58:57 UTC  

and get it easily

2019-03-16 01:58:57 UTC  

the question I hve for those people is: why?