# Message from The18thDoctor in The Ice Wall#lounge

2018-10-08 11:52:01 UTC

you put something at on the ceiling in your room, say a small circular paper

2018-10-08 11:52:19 UTC

if you look at this small circular paper up close, its big

2018-10-08 11:52:38 UTC

once its at a certain range, moving it along the top of the ceiling isn't going to change its size

2018-10-08 11:52:52 UTC

closer it appears bigger, further away it will appear smaller

2018-10-08 11:53:02 UTC

staying at the same general range it won't continue to shrink

2018-10-08 11:53:31 UTC

it will shrink a little as its angle gets further away, a little

2018-10-08 11:53:46 UTC

just by pythagoriam theorim

2018-10-08 11:54:04 UTC

angle says its further away, it will shrink a little

2018-10-08 11:54:17 UTC

as it gets closer, like right over head, its going to appear bigger

2018-10-08 11:54:25 UTC

slightly

2018-10-08 11:54:33 UTC

its still 3,400 miles away, its not that close

2018-10-08 11:54:39 UTC

its covering a wide area

2018-10-08 11:55:06 UTC

maximum efficiency

2018-10-08 12:07:35 UTC

Ok @^Kevin^ I ran the numbers, and the sun’s diameter should shrink by 1/7 from noon to “sunset” if you’re at the equator on the equinox. Not a tiny immeasurable bit. 1/7 of its diameter. Quite a bit smaller. So has this ever been observed?

2018-10-08 12:08:41 UTC

~14%

2018-10-08 12:09:18 UTC

And it only gets worse as you go south.

2018-10-08 12:10:52 UTC

Wolfie in Australia did a timelapse from sunrise to sunset with a solar filter to remove glare, and the sun stayed the EXACT SAME SIZE, no change whatsoever, over the course of the entire day.

2018-10-08 12:13:57 UTC

people are viewing the sun as it passes from different angles on flat earth

2018-10-08 12:14:15 UTC

depending on where u are located

2018-10-08 12:15:39 UTC

based on the angle you are at compared to where its passing determines how big it appears

2018-10-08 12:17:23 UTC

Distance and actual size determines apparent size.

2018-10-08 12:17:51 UTC

angle of view

2018-10-08 12:19:03 UTC
2018-10-08 12:19:39 UTC

That’s unrelated. We’re talking about the lack of apparent size change.

2018-10-08 12:21:05 UTC

its directly related to perspective and the sun

2018-10-08 12:21:45 UTC

you look at the video and 3 minutes in its already showing you the sun moving with time lapse

2018-10-08 12:22:08 UTC

note that this is at a particular location on earth and that it won't appear this way if you aren't in a particular location that shows this at that time of year

2018-10-08 12:22:29 UTC

it will appear differently to differently people depending on angle of view

2018-10-08 12:23:01 UTC

as you get further away from the sun, shockingly, you'll get less warmth

2018-10-08 12:28:21 UTC

That’s not what I’m talking about, the setting and rising and whatever, I’m talking about how the sun NEVER appears to change size, when it should change by 14% from noon to sunset on average.

2018-10-08 12:28:47 UTC

you didn't look at the whole video

2018-10-08 12:28:56 UTC

it does change size depending on your angle of view

2018-10-08 12:30:25 UTC

jump to 16:50 and look to 17:05, you can see the sun moving and shrinking as it gets further away

2018-10-08 12:33:02 UTC

Yeah, the glare of the sun will dwindle as it goes into the clouds. Try one without clouds or distortion. I challenge you to find just one video that shows the sun shrinking while it sets over the ocean.

2018-10-08 12:37:22 UTC

pretty sure refraction and water magnifies the sun as it sets over an ocean

2018-10-08 12:37:48 UTC

why should I try to accomplish something that is obviously a red herring

2018-10-08 12:37:54 UTC

this doesn't change flat earth facts

2018-10-08 12:38:00 UTC

Ah but it does.

2018-10-08 12:38:14 UTC

I don’t know about you, but I trust my eyes.

2018-10-08 12:38:16 UTC

you know, I don't need to know the answer to everything

2018-10-08 12:38:31 UTC

I trust the fact that we live on a flat earth and I do trust my eyes