# Message from ^Kevin^ in The Ice Wall#lounge

2018-10-08 12:17:23 UTC

Distance and actual size determines apparent size.

2018-10-08 12:17:51 UTC

angle of view

2018-10-08 12:19:03 UTC
2018-10-08 12:19:39 UTC

That’s unrelated. We’re talking about the lack of apparent size change.

2018-10-08 12:21:05 UTC

its directly related to perspective and the sun

2018-10-08 12:21:45 UTC

you look at the video and 3 minutes in its already showing you the sun moving with time lapse

2018-10-08 12:22:08 UTC

note that this is at a particular location on earth and that it won't appear this way if you aren't in a particular location that shows this at that time of year

2018-10-08 12:22:29 UTC

it will appear differently to differently people depending on angle of view

2018-10-08 12:23:01 UTC

as you get further away from the sun, shockingly, you'll get less warmth

2018-10-08 12:28:21 UTC

That’s not what I’m talking about, the setting and rising and whatever, I’m talking about how the sun NEVER appears to change size, when it should change by 14% from noon to sunset on average.

2018-10-08 12:28:47 UTC

you didn't look at the whole video

2018-10-08 12:28:56 UTC

it does change size depending on your angle of view

2018-10-08 12:30:25 UTC

jump to 16:50 and look to 17:05, you can see the sun moving and shrinking as it gets further away

2018-10-08 12:33:02 UTC

Yeah, the glare of the sun will dwindle as it goes into the clouds. Try one without clouds or distortion. I challenge you to find just one video that shows the sun shrinking while it sets over the ocean.

2018-10-08 12:37:22 UTC

pretty sure refraction and water magnifies the sun as it sets over an ocean

2018-10-08 12:37:48 UTC

why should I try to accomplish something that is obviously a red herring

2018-10-08 12:37:54 UTC

this doesn't change flat earth facts

2018-10-08 12:38:00 UTC

Ah but it does.

2018-10-08 12:38:14 UTC

I don’t know about you, but I trust my eyes.

2018-10-08 12:38:16 UTC

you know, I don't need to know the answer to everything

2018-10-08 12:38:31 UTC

I trust the fact that we live on a flat earth and I do trust my eyes

2018-10-08 12:38:35 UTC

And my eyes tell me that the sun never changes size.

2018-10-08 12:38:41 UTC

light coming off the sun and the hot spot shows the sun is local

2018-10-08 12:38:58 UTC

based on where you are located your angle of view, maybe it doesn't

2018-10-08 12:39:32 UTC

the further away from the path its traveling the line you go, the more your angle changes

2018-10-08 12:39:42 UTC

then the sun will not change shape as much based on your angle of view

2018-10-08 12:39:44 UTC

I know how hot spots work, and no it doesn’t. I live near the Atlantic Ocean, I see a hot spot every morning. It’s a long stream of light, not a spot, so it’s impossible to tell where the sun is based off of a “hot spot”.

2018-10-08 12:40:07 UTC

you can see a hot spot in the video

2018-10-08 12:40:43 UTC

I’m on data right now and I don’t want to blow through all of it. What timestamp?

2018-10-08 12:40:59 UTC

I have a very small data plan.

2018-10-08 12:43:20 UTC

water isn't the best place to see hot spots, it tends to streak

2018-10-08 12:43:47 UTC

So what else do you see them on besides water?

2018-10-08 12:44:45 UTC

you can see the sun spot at roughly 1:50 to 2:05 in the video

2018-10-08 12:44:54 UTC

sun hitting the clouds, its clearly seen

2018-10-08 12:45:23 UTC

pretty sure those are clouds

2018-10-08 12:45:41 UTC

you can get hot spot images of it hitting ground too

2018-10-08 12:45:45 UTC

Nope, that’s a break in the clouds with a body of water underneath.

2018-10-08 12:46:18 UTC

that is possible

2018-10-08 12:48:23 UTC

trying to get a sun spot pic

2018-10-08 12:48:26 UTC

2018-10-08 12:48:40 UTC

does any of this not look like CGI?