so tl,dr; "they are headed in the right direction even if they suck," ok

I can even respect that

no, wrong

no, that isn't what I'm saying

well what do your numerical values mean

they may or may not be headed in the right direction

but limit the argument to their effectiveness

ability to change things

yes, your average Donald voter is not an alt right dude

are you saying they are good because at least there is now a non-leftist school of thought that is mainstream?

regardless of the problems within that school of thought?

but the alt right brought a lot of stuff to the fore that these Donald voters could look at and assess on their own terms

and it exerted a pressure on the old school conservative media

no I'm not saying that but that's pretty good too

that's all well and good

non-leftist mainstream school of thought: Christianity

Mormonism

but how does that address the fact that the alt right is doing the opposite of its stated goals, and is a flash mob preaching the virtues of hierarchy

it doesn't have any stated goals

it isn't a "thing", it's an anti-thing

even the hierarchy stuff, not everyone will agree with it

prozak has written tomes of paper on how anti-things are awful

one edge of the alt-right is literal sperg libertarians who are awaiting the singularity

Nick Land kind of people

they are not insignificant

yes, so most accurately the altright is not even altright, it is just antileft

whereas republicans are left lite

anti-things are not awful, or not-awful

there is no such thing in the prozakian philosophy per se

it's either effective or ineffective, leading to desired goals or not

that's right @Deleted User 57835c2c , that's absolutely right

alt right is anti left

republicans are left lite

what anti-ideologies are is unsustainable

because their impetus is the reaction

that is still very far removed from my goal both quantitatively and qualitatively

so neoreaction really was the more accurate term

yes, definitely

well, actually no

it's because the term reaction carries some load

I meant it in a very general way, reactionary to anything