Message from @fallot

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2017-08-04 18:27:51 UTC  

for the last point, Nietzsche is the best example

2017-08-04 18:28:04 UTC  

ultimately a tragic figure

2017-08-04 18:28:45 UTC  

the concern I have with that perspective is first that these slides happen on such a bigger-than-human timeframe it's hard for some people to connect the dots. They don't necessarily even see that they have problems, much less that their neurotic leftist moralising is causing those problems

2017-08-04 18:29:10 UTC  

and second that the advance of technology is a crutch that props up bad government

2017-08-04 18:29:28 UTC  

and makes it hard to point out the flaws because people revert to "well look at how far we've advanced"

2017-08-04 18:29:40 UTC  

you're quite right

2017-08-04 18:30:08 UTC  

however regarding the timeframe stuff you said, I used to have a perspective like yours and still sometimes reflexively slip into that sort of thinking

2017-08-04 18:30:39 UTC  

its ultimately a secular and pragmatic mode of thinking, whereas I've been converted to a perspective that values individual souls first

2017-08-04 18:30:47 UTC  

and in such a picture, things could work out just fine

2017-08-04 18:30:52 UTC  

while seeming to be disastrous

2017-08-04 18:30:57 UTC  

from a more utilitarian or pragmatic pov

2017-08-04 18:31:18 UTC  

what you actually said is perfectly valid though

2017-08-04 18:32:16 UTC  

Hmm I don't think we really differ on perspective that much. Most of the time I spend thinking about political stuff on the national / world scale and talking about us voting blocs is just out of genuine hobbyist interest. My priority is always the good people around me and my own inner growth and life.

2017-08-04 18:32:33 UTC  

I don't sweat the other stuff, I'm just an interested observer

2017-08-04 18:33:10 UTC  

I see, yeah I think you're right

2017-08-04 18:33:57 UTC  

have you read Seraphim Rose's essay on "Nihilism" @UOC

2017-08-04 18:34:05 UTC  

no, link me

2017-08-04 18:34:06 UTC  

it addresses all of these concerns in a broad fashion

2017-08-04 18:35:13 UTC  

my little brother is texting me some good shit right now. I was worried he had the soul of a leftist but I trusted him and he's coming through

2017-08-04 18:35:37 UTC  

depending on what is meant by leftist, I don't think anyone does

2017-08-04 18:35:57 UTC  

I know what you mean though

2017-08-04 18:36:10 UTC  

even people like you or me absorb a lot of leftist assumptions

2017-08-04 18:36:11 UTC  

In this case I guess I meant an inability to be honest enough with himself to acknowledge the difficult truths

2017-08-04 18:36:13 UTC  

that remain unquestioned

2017-08-04 18:36:34 UTC  

the alt-right at the moment is simply anti- or inverted leftism

2017-08-04 18:36:37 UTC  

a mirror image

2017-08-04 18:36:48 UTC  

that's what I was ranting about yesterday

2017-08-04 18:37:20 UTC  

I'll read this essay on my walk home for lunch

2017-08-04 18:37:58 UTC  

what does the alt-right have to say about the proper level of protection for intellectual property?

2017-08-04 18:38:09 UTC  

I don't think it has any unified position

2017-08-04 18:38:18 UTC  

alt-right is just an umbrella for anti-leftism

2017-08-04 18:38:38 UTC  

I think those are the kind of sorta drab questions you can't be a real political platform until you can answer

2017-08-04 18:38:41 UTC  

probably a relatively libertarian mindset

2017-08-04 18:38:51 UTC  

yeah, probably relatively libertarian

2017-08-04 18:39:01 UTC  

I don't agree with you about that

2017-08-04 18:39:07 UTC  

what's Trump's position on intellectual property?

2017-08-04 18:39:17 UTC  

this is falling into the trap of accepting things as they are

2017-08-04 18:39:23 UTC  

Nah my point is more like

2017-08-04 18:39:32 UTC  

your broader point I accept

2017-08-04 18:39:37 UTC  

How could Trump's ideology be applied to that question?