Message from @Kalier

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2017-08-31 15:46:54 UTC  

its okay to argue against racial differences

2017-08-31 15:47:02 UTC  

but you have to actually argue

2017-08-31 15:47:08 UTC  

thousands of years of isolated evolution counts for nothing

2017-08-31 15:47:48 UTC  

Culture fell from the seven skies, Africans just had bad luck.

2017-08-31 15:48:03 UTC  

And americans?

2017-08-31 15:48:29 UTC  

Here's a thought:

2017-08-31 15:48:47 UTC  

And the beautiful genocide

2017-08-31 15:48:50 UTC  

what if you need to eclipse some IQ threshold in order to create a culture capable of increasing its own IQ?

2017-08-31 15:49:38 UTC  

It takes a certain level of social order to implement cultural practices that select for higher IQ.

2017-08-31 15:49:55 UTC  

Intelligence is required to establish social order

2017-08-31 15:50:36 UTC  

Intelligence and education

2017-08-31 15:54:30 UTC  

what kind of education?

2017-08-31 15:55:46 UTC  

intelligence will only be selected for when it is a trait that improves competitive efficacy in terms of reproduction

2017-08-31 15:56:31 UTC  

nerd vigrins BTFO

2017-08-31 15:57:08 UTC  

thus the hypothesis that certain geographies drive the development of a more intelligent population

2017-08-31 15:58:20 UTC  

again, other helpful mutations occur as well

2017-08-31 15:58:26 UTC  

and cultural has a role to play

2017-08-31 15:58:52 UTC  

but to deny the genetic component outright seems to me least likely to be correct

2017-08-31 15:59:10 UTC  

there is no reason to think that genes don't matter, except an ideological reason

2017-08-31 15:59:37 UTC  

often the "burden of proof" issue gets muddled in these conversations

2017-08-31 16:00:04 UTC  

Tell me, who is more intelligent, A black with a university carrer and with a rich life, or a poor white that lives in the street?

2017-08-31 16:00:26 UTC  

we are discussing population averages, not irrelevant individual cases

2017-08-31 16:00:29 UTC  

gotta be trolling

2017-08-31 16:00:43 UTC  

That isn't "Irrelevant individual cases"

2017-08-31 16:00:48 UTC  

it is

2017-08-31 16:00:57 UTC  

the variation within a group is larger than the variation between groups

2017-08-31 16:01:01 UTC  

that doesn't nullify the point

2017-08-31 16:01:08 UTC  

If you are from a rich family, you are going to get a better education

2017-08-31 16:01:14 UTC  

There are always statistical outliers

2017-08-31 16:01:19 UTC  

IQ is independant from education

2017-08-31 16:01:20 UTC  

education does not increase IQ

2017-08-31 16:01:25 UTC  

Picking a few of those does not disprove the general trend

2017-08-31 16:01:27 UTC  

thats kind of the point

2017-08-31 16:02:12 UTC  

no one at any point said the dumbest white person is smarter than the smartest black person

2017-08-31 16:03:03 UTC  

white and black populations in the US differ by about 1 SV over the aggregate

2017-08-31 16:03:17 UTC  

around 15 IQ points

2017-08-31 16:03:49 UTC  

Furthermore, a study in a South African university in which every participant was a student there, found that whites did better than blacks on the IQ test

2017-08-31 16:03:56 UTC  

All of them were having the same education

2017-08-31 16:04:14 UTC  

And, the Mississippi transracial adoption study showed that changing the environment did not change IQ.

2017-08-31 16:05:12 UTC  

beyond IQ, similar gaps appear in certain other genetically-originating qualities like personality traits