Message from @the house of romanov
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I have noticed @UOC. It seemed strange to find them in such a chatroom however.
possibly others
There was some other guy here saying he had just converted and kept trying to talk to Fallot about how they were both muzzies
I can see converts to Islam. However Muslim countries are not exactly modern in the cultural sense. They've, at most, reacted to encroachments within their own paradigms.
Another way of wording it would be that they are essentially fighting an external threat whereas we must must excise a cancer.
if fallot can't play right now, I'll just admit I think Sam Harris is generally in his thesis in part for the reason that you're stating
what sorts of encroachments
For all there savagery Muslims have kept Marxists jews and feminism down
Sam Harris is in general, a clever silly
though an intelligent man
@fallot I don't want to put more effort into the question. answer on the general level lol
yeah he's clever enough to be wrong in ways I enjoy listening to sometimes
he's got a particular bone to pick with Islam for a bunch of reasons but particularly I think because its the only existing religion seriously adhered to on a global scale
They have developed a siege mentality of sorts. Unlike Christianity, the Islamic World has had to face the full brunt of secular liberal modernity at gun point. So conservative Muslims tend towards puritanism, anti-intellectualism, and a hostility towards art.
yeah he's always saying "at least the christians don't actually believe in their god"
bit more complex than that @Sriadobada
you're not wrong
I am not out to write an essay on the matter.
the complicating issue is Salafism, and that Saudi projection of Islam is what appears strongly in the zeitgeist
certainly in a western perception
Wahabism?
yeah pretty much
more than that, but yeah, pretty much
these people have broken with tradition, though they seem very extreme
they are like the christian puritans in a sense
To keep culture alive sometimes you have to be extreme
The extent to which they control marriage and relationships is designed to keep the kafirs out. Whether these practices are agreeable or not I will leave to others.
all modern jihadism stems from these ideas/people
Kuffars I think is the term
that's just normal human behaviour I think, keep the outgroup out
kafir singular, kuffar plural
all human society, including the west, controlled marriage and reproduction pretty strictly
parentally arranged marriage was the rule even in the west
In my opinion the West has lost its way
Like completely off the beaten path
yeah
unfortunate
and it remains to be seen whether the reaction to that will be corrective