cowards are uncivilized

gotta go, have fun

Someone just kick me

Will you still claim that violence is always bad?

You have admitted that it's ok for predators, right?

It's okay for predators that have no other means of survival

but as humans we do

Not always

Throughout history, people have had to kill each other to survive

WE NEED MEAT FOR HEALTH. VEGANS ARE PUSSIES.

That can happen again, and is probably happening in primitive places

To say that "violence is always bad", even for humans, is arrogant

You even said that it was always bad, period

Then you had to redact that to exclude predators who need to live

Then why aren't vegans dead lol

meat tastes good, and has lots of vitimins.

That's a logical fallacy

@faux leather THEY ARE DYING.

you can live for a while wit an unhealthy diet

Because I assumed we weren't talking about lions

I assumed we were talking about civilized humanity?

THEY'VE ELIMINATED THEMSELVES. TOO WEAK TO FIGHT.

Vegans tend to be unhealthy, but it's possible to be vegan and healthy, just harder than they can manage

that's a modern thing though

There hasn't been a vegan culture historically, because they would have been missing certain key nutrients

There have only been vegetarian, and meat eating cultures

Exactly

Anyway, George

Because we're a modern society it's possible

So why not do it?

Did you know that without predators, there would have been no life?

Grazers would eat the forests unsustainably, and then there would be no oxygen

MODERNITY AIN'T ALL IT'S CRACKED UP TO BE.

Predators are not merely acceptable because they need to kill to live

They are good, because they are part of what makes life possible

Why do you type in all caps

oops

Violence is thus a fundamental part of nature, something unavoidable

Either you embrace it as part of nature's splendour, or you hate nature

It's unavoidable up to a point

MODERN PEOPLE LOVE TO THINK THEY ARE SO EVOLVED THAT THEY ARE BEYOND THE GRASP OF HISTORY. THEY'RE NOT.