Message from @Timotheos Komnenos
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I doubt he mean’t thag
That
or even divorce
I mean why would you be an atheist and manipulate a Religious woman
You convince someone else that you are devoutly Christian in order to marry them when you aren’t really
Why do you wish to do that? @Krass
So you wish to keep a marriage based on lies
Why
So you wish to manipulate someone?
<@141430331717844992> Well if devoutly Religious enough she wouldn’t divorce
But probably feel deeply manipulated off that
@Krass Why do you wish for this?
Wrong answer
@Ideology Hey look at this guy
@Order Hey how about you
My my
Manipulation is Devilish
You are enslaving a person to follow your will and demands, and essentially lead them away from God to serve you. Anything against God is towards the "self", and follows the attitude of the demons of Hell
Morality is defined by God and violations of the moral commandments declared by God can be punished by God in accordance to His will. As I have stated before, the old covenant was rigid and harsh in order to establish God's people and make them distinct from the rest of the world. In essence, it assured loyalty unto God. Jesus is not different in character from Yahweh because they are the same. They are God. When Jesus was incarnated in the flesh, he enacted the plan of God of mercy and the salvation of the gentiles. In the Old Testament, through the prophets, he established the laws and punishments for those laws. On the day of judgement, Jesus, being the God the Son, will testify to God the Father, of men in accordance to what they have done. If one has known Jesus and has followed him, mercy and glory shall be upon Him. If not, he will be cast out and into Gehenna for violation of God's commandments.
I really don't see any inconsistency
Morality is invariant, but how violations of those morals and turning to sin are dealt with in accordance to the established covenants. We draw principle from the Old Testament. We know the Adultery is a sin because God has declared it so. However, it is no longer sin to eat pork because we are under the new covenant.
@Thule-Gesellschaft [☩] The morality does not change, but the laws do in accordance to the need. If we follow the logic that Yahweh was not God and was instead something demonic than all that followed Yahweh's commandments are damned to Hell. There would be no salvation for those of the Old Testament faith.
Without the laws of the Old Testament, the New Testmanent has no substance or weight. There is no reason to follow the New Testament without the Old.
The prophecies give Christ the legitimacy to defy the Pharisees and to heal those afflicted by Demons on the Sabbath. I'd say that Moral Truths are what are in accordance to the will of God and are reflected throughout the teachings of the Prophets, Saints, Apostles, and Christ Himself. If your philosophy is wrong, which was the case of the Roman Catholics when they tried to define God and put Him into the box, your ideas and your morality are wrong. And this goes for everything, if God is not involved in it and it isn't derived from God I'd say it hardly lacks substance
To be moral you must submit firstly to God and recognise the fact that humans, despite their great ability to reason, are incompabable of fully holding to truth and goodness.
It is dangerous to speak on matters you do not hold comprehension about. Just because your personal intuition tells you you shouldn't give charity and you use logic to reason that the poor man is undeserving of charity does not make you correct.
Living in accordance to God's will is what makes a man moral, not of what he personally thinks. However, men should know that they do not always have the ability to hold so closely to God and His morality, and that they are weak and fallible before him.
The whole point of human life is to honour God and give glory unto Him as his servants. Doing this does not necessarily come from developing philosophy and constantly debating, but following what God has taught you because you love God. Despite it may not being immediately apparent. John 20:29
**John 20:29 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**
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<29> Jesus said to him, "Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have come to believe."```
So you're telling me that God was unjust?
@Thule-Gesellschaft [☩] That is what he said. If we deny that, which is part of the First Commandment of the 10, we may also deny the seventh which forbids adultery.
You don't get to decide what is cruel or unjust, it is what God desires. They were killed for their opposition against the Israelites and their horrid idol worship that was too much of a stain against God's people and was corrupting His people.
The difference is that I worship the one God and they do not.
It is loyalty to God
You don't get to pick and chose what parts of the Bible you like. You either accept it or you don't.
I say that morality is defined by God and if God defines it as moral it is moral and if it isn't it isn't. There's no room for discussion.
God had a reason for destroying those tribes, as they threatened His people. He was justified in what He had done.
Threatened his people by corrupting them.
They were sources of corruption threatening identity of the Israelites.
We do not know the reasonings for what God has done to some and what He has done to others. We have no reason to question Him or any justification in doing so, because we are made to be in His Image and to give Glory unto Him.
Timotheoes, why shouldn't we question God when he does not provide justification for his actions? Shouldn't we want to follow him if we know he is just?