Are you actually telling me this?

@sad slav taxes don't exist under a socialist system

@Logical-Scholar blame capitalism? Implying mass production didn't exist under communism

Or even that public shaming *isn't* punishment?

how do you get money for programs

@Noxar nobody is denying that IQ is biological or not, I'm saying that it can be aggregated through materialistic and historical conditions. That's all.

No I'm telling you publicly shaming someone does not inhibit them from contributing to society

Hurr durr something wrong with my economic system? I will just point fingers at another failed system that doesn’t exist now

And I'm telling you that prison does not necessarily have to inhibit people from contribution

they can be labor

every economic system has something wrong

That's slavery

so?

some just have more of that, like socialism

@Noxar while im not a tankie, the Soviet Union industrialized at the expense of millions of lives, and became a economic superpower barely 40 years into its existence

what, and just bore them to death?

Not much of a punishment

@sad slav socialism seeks to rectify the faults of capitalism.

why is slavery wrong anyways?

So you are for castrating an entire class from contributing to the economy

Boom now they will non-stop promote slut culture but I guess I can point fingers at Communism and claim I could have it worse

?

an entire class?

What's this class?

The slave class

You mean the prisoners

Not a class, like it's some caste

Yeah, why not?

If it's for ideas it is

@WizardLizardInABlizzard while that was the theory and logic behind stalinist policies of forced collectivisation, that is what would happen if socialism didn't transition from capitalism and from a agrarian society.

They can do good deeds because of their bad deeds

Because that is stagnation in the economy

Slavery is not economically sound

We don't have to do it if it's not pragmatic

@WizardLizardInABlizzard the stagnating economy only worsened under khrusvhevs policies

but they can be useful in some way

Community service

Whatever, really

Because when Russia opened up to world economy gulags already did their damage

@Quasi government appointed life is communism

No, that's totalitarianism