Message from @Living The Dream π
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evidence please
you just were making a straw man argument all this while
and at the end you can't accept it.
I didn't accept it too at first, but I grew out of it.
How, I have told you my concern of appointed life. I believe in the freedom to pursue your own capital venture, anything less stifles innovation and growth, democracy is a slow inefficient system.
NPC more like No Playing Chicken in here boys
>agnostic
>socialist
Lol
Socialist *and* libertarian
A fucking mockery of the free market
freedom to pursue your own capital venture is fine, as long as you pay workers by they theory of SNLT. The problem under a capitalist system following the theory is that your business will. run at a loss and thus the business would shut down
Socialist libertarian thatβs like a literary device that Iβm too lazy to remember
and what are you talking about? innovation and productivity would skyrocket under a socialist system
@Leiro γ¬γ€γ then why hasn't it?
@Leiro γ¬γ€γ not when the fucking decisions are always made by vote
@WizardLizardInABlizzard it has, although the system would lack industrialization because most socialist societies Sprung out of agrarian nations
so it took time
Ah yes the USSR was so innovative and productive that millions of their own people died for the cause. Thanks Socialism.
North Korea too? Worldβs goin great.
How about PRC back in the Mao days? Something about a great leap?
Venezeula is doing *perfect* huh.
I brb in 10 mins needa go
I swear socialists are fucking delusional, lost in utopia never looking at how people work
@Ben more than 70% of industry is privately owned in Venezuela, that's higher than other nations on the list.
@Ben stalinist policies were responsible for it, not socialism. North Korea? my dad told me that the full name of the DPRK is the democratic people's Republic of Korea, so they MUST be a democracy
OK while you are gone I'll bring up some points for you @Leiro γ¬γ€γ 1 how can you claim flourishing innovation and growth when democracy is slower than a snail?
2 how can you claim that everyone will follow through and participate in votes when they don't want to make company desisions 3 how do you enforce socialism when a rogue innovator assembles a team, buys resources and indulges in their free will, how do you stop revolt at appointed rule 4 how do you prevent corruption
>peoples republic aka socialism
@WizardLizardInABlizzard the only good thing socialism does is provide basic needs. That's it just 1 thing nothing else.
@Living The Dream π a fucking head on your shoulders provides basic needs
@WizardLizardInABlizzard depends
@Living The Dream π read basic needs not luxury
@SweetieSquad r u OK fren?
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@WizardLizardInABlizzard, of course, I'm not saying a welfare state is needed
innovation and growth would still happen even if democratic policies are slow. The industry benefits from their labour being more productive by introducing more and more efficient and better services as well as automation. The whole point is socialism is to achieve post-scarcity through innovation. This system does not utilize profit to be the key cornerstone to innovation.
2. I have already told you that if people don't decide on policies on their own, they will lose out and not get accounted for. Your assumption only works under the regard that the worker dosent care whether he gets exploited or not, which is false.
3. We would review what happens when it actually happens. If they want to open a new one business, these people have to make sure that they follow the theory of SNLT in the way that workers are paid appropriately, thus they don't get exploited. It would be unlikely such a business can be sustained, because the business will run mostly at a loss of they follow these principles.
4. Corruption? Information would be publicly available, free and can be accessed relatively easily to prevent it. That way, if some amount of capital goes missing or anything, we can actually assert that corruption happened and we would seek to find the perpetrator
Your faith in humanity warms my heart
I spent a couple of mins writing that so that you can get your questions answered, that's your reply? Jeez. At least give me credit even if we both disagree with each other