respect should be a mutual thing for everybody

It's an example

Imho, it shouldn't be situational

That is impossible

as a teacher, I don't ask for a higher form of respect than what I give my students

But do they know that?

Respect is relative, thats the very nature of the word

I end up working my ass out for them, for my knowledge to be shared properly to them, I ask them to respect that and the other students that wants to learn, nothing much

by no mean I like playing cops with them, it's a waste of energy and time for me

And that is exactly the situational type of respect with reason that the students can either accept or disregard. The problem is with a base standard for aribitrary reasons such as seniority or age.

but that would be something that could assurely works for the other students that want to learn

of course they can accept that or disregard it, but by disregarding it, it doesn't just harm me and the other students, but themselves too

in the case of a proper and mutual respect, not situational, this issue disappear

you say that respect is relative and situational. That might be because not everybody is taught the same form of respect

if it was the case, it wouldn't be all that much relative

Opinions in my chat? I ain't having none of that

This isn't your chat

why do you feel the need to say that @nrg ?

poor venom is going to depress

just say "yes master", bow down, and shut your trap

❤

See this is my point, yes it harms them to disregard that, but that notion of "harm" is from your reference frame and that is not an objective frame. The only way that it is "correct" is if the regard is given as expected by choice of the student as then your frames line up, and it is only correct within the commonality of your frames, not objectively. And you may refer to respect given by both parties as "mutual" but it is not the same, by very nature of the difference of positions, the type of regard a student gives a teacher is systematically more than the teacher gives the student, this is not really necessarily bad from my or yours or most peoples point of view. Respect can never not be situational, because people can never not be individually distinct. You can never teach people a common respect as I said in the previous wall of text.

Well, objectively, it harm my moral, and the students' moral that are actually here to learn. It's not that subjective...

now you are just using the word objectively and ascribing it to a subjective notion and calling that a counter argument.

Objectively, you're all gay

How is that subjective ? I mean, some student want to learn, they don't want to lag behind and get down with their studies

And i'm lucky enough that it's actually the majority of my students that are like this nowadays

how come someone acting like a jerk and disturbing other student isn't objectively harming them in their studies ?

and as I said, I don't think they give me more respect than what I give them. They respect the knowledge I share to them and I respect their commitement.

I see no differences in degrees of that kind of respect

Because those very things are ascribed subjective value, studying, disturbance, acting like a jerk, all are subjectively qualitative notions.

well, people taking phone call during lectures, speaking between them loudly, etc might be qualitative notions, but in the class point of view, it's objectively a disturbance

I could for instance probably act like a jerk, disturb other students and also excell at my studies. And this all just turns into moral argumentation, which is just subjective also.

I agree with your notions of how students should act, but that does not make it objective.

well, you would still disturb other students... I fail to see how your grades are revelents in the fact that you act like a jerk ? 😄

My point is the nature of how you are ascribing value

I never said that they were bad students, with bad grades or whatnot

just that they lack proper respect considering the situation they are engaging in

my definition of what's objective and subjective might differs from yours as I fail to see how disturbing a course isn't objectively harming students that want to learn

Because harm itself is not objective

well as long as the course is slightly delayed because of those people actions, it's knowledge that isn't passed on