Message from @SonicAF

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2019-09-10 11:09:41 UTC  

the point is that its a first step

2019-09-10 11:10:09 UTC  

america cannot institute real change without the voting base becoming aware of the actual danger involved with inaction

2019-09-10 11:10:29 UTC  

also its important for leverage in international conferences

2019-09-10 11:11:17 UTC  

back in the 2015 paris conference, india's big issue leading into it, and still is, was "american citizens are burning 34x more carbon than we do, so why should we be forced to restrict our usage?"

2019-09-10 11:11:57 UTC  

"especially when we're underdeveloped"

2019-09-10 11:12:40 UTC  

>You can't do it without being thorn apart by other superpowers.

you can actually

2019-09-10 11:12:40 UTC  

think about it

2019-09-10 11:12:40 UTC  

the future of energy is obviously in green tech

2019-09-10 11:12:49 UTC  

and if your companies hold the patents and produce/export that tech to the world

2019-09-10 11:12:56 UTC  

*you will have significant economic power*

2019-09-10 11:14:01 UTC  

This is like capitalism going into communism vs going commie right now. Fossils are the economic vehicle to go nuclear. WIthout fossils you don't have a proper transition and your economy is fucked.

2019-09-10 11:14:26 UTC  

You just can't afford this transition without fossils. So what do you do? Burn em all!

2019-09-10 11:15:08 UTC  

Now imagine that you burn all your fossils and the planet is so hot that China can't burn theirs, so they are in position that they have to make this uncomfortable leap, but you don't.

2019-09-10 11:15:13 UTC  

wait what

2019-09-10 11:15:24 UTC  

you literally want to accelerate the burning of fossil fuels?

2019-09-10 11:15:32 UTC  

because you think it leads to more power?

2019-09-10 11:15:39 UTC  

I am saying that it's attractive to all superpowers.

2019-09-10 11:15:44 UTC  

but its not?

2019-09-10 11:15:59 UTC  

china have already started making massive investments into renewables

2019-09-10 11:16:42 UTC  

if florida going underwater is attractive for america, then the world is *literally* fucked

2019-09-10 11:17:21 UTC  

Maybe this is what they will go for to screw over Russia's export of fossils. That's a complicated thing.

2019-09-10 11:17:33 UTC  

power comes with economic hegemony, and the key to economic hegemony in the coming decades is green tech exports

2019-09-10 11:17:45 UTC  

they dont have to burn the world to screw russia

2019-09-10 11:17:50 UTC  

russia BENEFITS from climate change

2019-09-10 11:18:18 UTC  

it would be handing the world to russia *on a platter* to burn up the world

2019-09-10 11:19:35 UTC  

Well, Russia would benefit from getting more livable territory, which is in excess even now. How would it benefit otherwise?

2019-09-10 11:19:49 UTC  

Russia lives on export of fossils. It has nothing else.

2019-09-10 11:21:33 UTC  

russia gets to use the arctic

2019-09-10 11:21:37 UTC  

for shipping

2019-09-10 11:21:46 UTC  

mining/oil

2019-09-10 11:21:57 UTC  

but also they get more farmland

2019-09-10 11:22:11 UTC  

theyll get loads of immigrants to fill up their capacities too

2019-09-10 11:22:17 UTC  

As far as I remember, farmlands are worthless and oil is a fossil.

2019-09-10 11:22:19 UTC  

so they would quite literally become a superpower

2019-09-10 11:22:22 UTC  

whereas right now

2019-09-10 11:22:34 UTC  

theyre down towards the bottom of the "great powers" list

2019-09-10 11:22:49 UTC  

how can farmland be worthless in an era of perpetual food and water crises?

2019-09-10 11:23:11 UTC  

the whole issue with climate change is the terrible damage it will do to food production worldwide

2019-09-10 11:23:18 UTC  

creating shortages everywhere

2019-09-10 11:24:16 UTC  

Looking forward to 2030, I guess.

2019-09-10 11:24:35 UTC  

they are?