Message from @Vagtarian

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2019-11-14 20:00:50 UTC  

God is. by definition, that which is uncaused.

2019-11-14 20:00:58 UTC  

Golden: *Pulls at very undefined and interpreted wording from an old book that has been rewritten many times*
"SEE I'M RIGHT! GOD IS REAL AND WHITE PEOPLE ARE SUPERIOR"

2019-11-14 20:01:18 UTC  

Lol

2019-11-14 20:01:38 UTC  

God exist as a word

2019-11-14 20:02:07 UTC  

Thats what im getting from golden honestly

2019-11-14 20:02:12 UTC  

He seems very frustrated

2019-11-14 20:02:13 UTC  

So then God exists

2019-11-14 20:02:19 UTC  

As a word yes

2019-11-14 20:02:25 UTC  

Idk as an entity

2019-11-14 20:02:32 UTC  

The word and concept "god" exists
The entity is fictional

2019-11-14 20:02:48 UTC  

This is what throttle tries not to say but knows it would contradict his fascist mindset which is built on not accepting religion.

2019-11-14 20:02:50 UTC  

How do you know it's fictional?

2019-11-14 20:03:18 UTC  

No it's not by definition. It is by reductio ad absurdum, since it falls into infinite regress. However, infinity has been questioned when Cantor's contribution in mathematics said a set can be infinite. Or you can just accept that there are brute facts, which is what I do. Brute facts are things that do not require an explanation for their existence.

2019-11-14 20:03:24 UTC  

"Harry" and "Potter" are both words that exist but "Harry Potter" is a fictional character created by J. R. Rowling

2019-11-14 20:03:32 UTC  

By his definition its fictional based on what we understand today

2019-11-14 20:03:45 UTC  

Thats my agnostic point of view

2019-11-14 20:03:48 UTC  

Haha

2019-11-14 20:04:52 UTC  

Maybe in the far future he wont be. But im leaning more towards as God doesnt exist.

2019-11-14 20:05:27 UTC  

@Vlad I have not seen any proof of its existence so I believe it is fictional. If irrefutable evidence, or evidence that convinces me, is shared with me then I will believe it

2019-11-14 20:05:52 UTC  

So, you don't know?

2019-11-14 20:06:14 UTC  

I have some thoughts that i cant reitirrate in a smart way

2019-11-14 20:06:24 UTC  

Can you guys bare with me on this

2019-11-14 20:06:30 UTC  

Yes.

2019-11-14 20:06:31 UTC  

Haha

2019-11-14 20:06:42 UTC  

So my point has benn proven by pretty much everyone in this debate.

2019-11-14 20:06:45 UTC  

Based on all of the evidence I have seen I do not believe god exists

2019-11-14 20:06:51 UTC  

@Feed Me Satan Harry Potter is not the same thing as theism, nor God.

Comparing things like fairies or unicorns to a necessary being is nonsensical.

2019-11-14 20:07:00 UTC  

You know how when you admit theres chaos, therefore we must cooperate and fix it

2019-11-14 20:07:23 UTC  

not knowing = we should be nice to each other because we admit we dont know and try to improve

2019-11-14 20:07:32 UTC  

We admit that were all biased

2019-11-14 20:07:36 UTC  

Thats my belief

2019-11-14 20:07:36 UTC  

But you just mentioned lack of evidence. How can you use the lack of evidence of something's existence as evidence of its inexistence, @Feed Me Satan?

2019-11-14 20:07:40 UTC  

Not knowing.

2019-11-14 20:07:52 UTC  

My bad i just read what i said

2019-11-14 20:08:02 UTC  

Wheres the retard emoji

2019-11-14 20:08:32 UTC  

If everyone could do that there will prolly be peace and co existence

2019-11-14 20:08:39 UTC  

@Vlad You can twist it and ask why this is the case. That's what the Divine Hiddeness argument does, why is it the case that God does not show himself to us.

2019-11-14 20:08:45 UTC  

Haha

2019-11-14 20:08:52 UTC  

Though I agree absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

2019-11-14 20:08:53 UTC  

Thats my selfish perspective i guess

2019-11-14 20:09:20 UTC  

I am all for being civil
The most anyone can say about anything is "this is the evidence and these are the beliefs I pull from the evidence"
I pull the belief that god does not exist from the lack of any convincing evidence. I cannot say anything for 100% certainty. Those are just my beliefs