Message from @Bandolier

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2020-03-19 11:21:20 UTC  

i have nothing against nato if countries pay their share, which most do
looking at information that other guy provided, america first you went from 22% to 16% of total nato budget

2020-03-19 11:21:30 UTC  

but its not like the budget itself dropped for nato

2020-03-19 11:21:45 UTC  

just other countries filled the void

2020-03-19 11:21:50 UTC  

i think i remember trump cutting their funding

2020-03-19 11:21:56 UTC  

from your side

2020-03-19 11:21:58 UTC  

but someone else has to fill it

2020-03-19 11:22:03 UTC  

i'm not american

2020-03-19 11:22:05 UTC  

o

2020-03-19 11:22:28 UTC  

yeah someone else has to fill it

2020-03-19 11:22:33 UTC  

so its screwing over the other nato countries

2020-03-19 11:22:38 UTC  

probably damaged their trust in USA

2020-03-19 11:34:01 UTC  

Good. America first.

2020-03-19 11:35:05 UTC  

Thought you said you wanted to redistribute our military budget? Can't do that if we're paying for NATO, defending countries from non-existent threats on the other side of the ocean.

2020-03-19 11:36:23 UTC  

That said, you just admitted you're not American. So you can fuck right off. You have no say in this matter. Most here prefer private insurance; some have even seen people die in Canada or the UK when they could have been treated in the US.

2020-03-19 11:37:57 UTC  

me having no democratic say in america's government doesn't mean I can't criticise it

2020-03-19 11:38:27 UTC  

do you think the millions of uninsured and the thousands bankrupted by an inefficient system prefer private?

2020-03-19 11:39:34 UTC  

if you say that those people are not your problem, they are. because public health was first invented because people realise having a 100% healthy population, without a massive cesspool of poor people with no healthcare, is better to stop disease spreading

2020-03-19 13:43:23 UTC  

@DiDozen you can find this information if you type it into google. But you still haven't because you dont bother to learn the actual numbers and realize you're wrong

2020-03-19 13:43:57 UTC  

I cant help you if you're gonna keep being ignorant

2020-03-19 13:44:03 UTC  

¯\\_(ツ)\_/¯

2020-03-19 13:46:52 UTC  

I'm feeling happy & generous today so here you go.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/665554909134848000/690194583300079639/MandSpending_NominalDollarGrowth.PNG

2020-03-19 13:47:39 UTC  

have u tried not being such a smug prick when you're actually wrong

2020-03-19 13:47:44 UTC  

>Most of the money is being spend on Medicare Medicaid and social security. That leaves only about 7% of the money left

2020-03-19 13:47:53 UTC  

literally incorrect by this chart

2020-03-19 13:48:13 UTC  

those 3 things add up to 60%

2020-03-19 13:48:58 UTC  

@Bandolier i can't help you if you're gonna keep being ignorant.

2020-03-19 13:49:16 UTC  

Do you know what the meaning of mandatory and discretionary spending is?

2020-03-19 13:49:33 UTC  

Mandatory spending is used on other things besides medicare Medicaid and social security

2020-03-19 13:50:00 UTC  

The left over money, the discretionary spending, is not enough to support the things you spoke of last night

2020-03-19 13:51:47 UTC  

Moreover, that whole slice of 21% is the interest the US has to pay on the debt that its accumulated

2020-03-19 13:52:27 UTC  

So 21 + 27 + 23 + 10 +7 = 88% of the money gone

2020-03-19 13:52:59 UTC  

We also tack defense on there too, but that's only a small 5%, dwarfed by the rest of the numbers

2020-03-19 13:56:51 UTC  

So as I said and you quoted... most of the money (here most means >50%) is being spent on social security, medicare and medicaid, leaving a very small amount of money to be spent where the US pleases

2020-03-19 14:00:26 UTC  

what does that 21% have to do with medicare, medicaid or social security

2020-03-19 14:00:39 UTC  

where i quoted you you said those three things left only 7% of mandatory spending left

2020-03-19 14:00:43 UTC  

when it doesn't

2020-03-19 14:01:33 UTC  

and if by "the things you spoke of" you mean medicare for all, it's literally cheaper than the current system, so it would in fact replace the medicare/medicaid areas with a smaller piece of the pie

2020-03-19 14:05:05 UTC  

21% has to do with the fact that the USA has no money left to implement any new stuff. Do you think Medicare for all is gonna be free to get going?

2020-03-19 14:05:50 UTC  

it's cheaper than the current system so effectively free

2020-03-19 14:06:19 UTC  

The startup cost of implementing an entire new system, not to mention the pay cut that all physicians will experience, job losses, and the fact that we just dont have enough doctors to support such a system, is gonna be extremely expensive

2020-03-19 14:06:36 UTC  

you do have enough doctors