It makes us look very poor to the moderates.

they are very smart people, incredibly good social engineers who understand how to manipulate the masses on large scales without most people even understanding what they're doing

Absolutely.

unfortunately many (but not all) of them use their intelligence for selfish reasons

One minute you're a neo-con, the next you're a fascist. What's going on big guy?

There thats a great dialogue. Loki explained his views without going 'Jews are bad because they aren't christians'

That's what I think tho.

Thats a caveman perspective.

Don't have hate in your heart unless you really believe in it with a cause.

Non-christians are sinners who go to hell. Atheism or whatever you are is another version of sin. I see no difference between you and a muslim or a jew.

I don't hate tbh. I pity them.

Its difficult to negotiate with such a hateful perspective.

Your ideals of hell and heaven are completely subjective points of view.

Yes and?

They mean nothing to anyone who doesn't think exactly like you.

We're populists here or not?

It isn't effective if you are ever trying to convince anyone to change their mind. Forgive my moderate attitude.

We gotta be able to talk in terms of passion, subjectivity and perspectives.

Facts don't care about your feelings.

Doing otherwise is liberalism.

Ok empiricist

The right wing needs to move beyond a Christian ugly stick, if thats what it is for you.

You're not even right-wing. "Moving beyond" is not what us conservatives do.

The constitution of the united states demands freedom of religion etc, if you aren't in line with that then go somewhere else.

Honestly.

Who's the creator?

Creator of what?

Who were the founders thinking about when they said "their creator"

I know I said I was done talking about this, but as long as I'm not stuck trying to argue with tin-foil hattery its cool. It just doesn't interest me.

@Kolchak God, Christian God.

Exactly

Christian God in the new testament is a loving and caring God. He wouldn't approve of persecution.

You don't believe in the words of the founders either. You are a liberal.

@Kolchak my friend, don't do the low blows. I am perfectly comfortable in my politics.

Persecution is what jews and muslims are doing to christians in the middle east.

I'm against that.

@Kolchak Thats great ! See we agree more than we disagree.

You are pro-israel tho.

Mmmm. I'm not anti-israel. I support Israel. However I don't blindly support them or spare them thought in a given day.

You're for the people killing my brothers of communion.

I've got a mean Jericho 941F that was manufactured at H3 in Israels weapons industry. The jews make great firearms.