Message from @Jossten144
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As if that's bad in wartime.
Well, there's certainly an argument for it being wrong at ANY time. And technically war was optional. (im not endorsing any particular view)
Yes, but that argument also concedes that the United States would've been dissolved or weakened.
Secession was also never mentioned in the constitution regardless, as if the South even had a guaranteed right.
Arguably it doesn't have to be. A social contract can be cancelled at any time, although ideally upon violation of it by one of the relevant parties. So essentially, there's no such thing as secession being illegal. The South said, our deal is over, the Constitution does not apply to me. The North then simply declared war (since there is now no existing agreement between the entities) and conquered the South.
This is not right or wrong by itself, absent context. This is law of the wild among states.
This wasn't a social contract, it was a political contract between numerous political entities.
Furthermore, if political entities have complete autonomy and self-decision, then it was the North's right to conquer the South.
I don't understand your semantic argument. A social contract is what legitimizes government in the first place. Political entities have complete autonomy and self decision, that is correct. That includes the freedom to declare war and impose that will on others. Nobody has a right to be defenseless.
So yes, it was the North's right, we are in complete agreement.
A social contract is an agreement between the state and a person, a political contract is an agreement between two political entities.
Ok - I accept your definitions. Nevertheless, a political contract between STATES in a FEDERAL system is much like a social contract.
Each state acted much like an individual would, giving up a small amount of its own liberty for greater security and cohesion as a whole.
Off topic but nice pfp Struth
heh, thanks
(i had to google pfp, i dont use social media)
Ouef
Same on social media
Hi I exist
The reason is unknown but hi.
Oh sorry.
Also, hello!
So uh. How was peoples humans days?
Just a refugee from the subreddit
My human day was good
I went to Ash Wednesday Mass, it was nice
had a physics exam as well
Also, bold of you to assume that we're human
I think I did well
Wait.
Bold of you to assume
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And yes, I am from the subreddit as well. I was on here once a long time ago but left for some dumb reason.
I don't know why :/
Dontcha know we're all russian bots?
not humans
Oh of course!
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