Message from @DefinitlyNotInsane - NL

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2018-11-09 18:53:08 UTC  

that's why planes use flares

2018-11-09 18:53:18 UTC  

yes so we are back at 2018

2018-11-09 18:53:19 UTC  

and why missiles use as many backup systems as they can squeeze in

2018-11-09 18:55:22 UTC  

"if IR feed isn't clear, rely on UV", "if UV feed isn't clear, try sensing plane's magnetic fields", "if NO feed is clear, estimate range to target, if range is less than 50m, detonate anyways and hope for the best otherwise deploy parachutes"

2018-11-09 18:56:03 UTC  

GPS, too. not for an anti-air missile obviously but for ground targets

2018-11-09 18:56:07 UTC  

even better idea let childeren from chinese factories fly those rockets not susceptible to flares dont cost alot and are still guided

2018-11-09 18:56:19 UTC  

million dollar idea here

2018-11-09 18:56:26 UTC  

Japanese did that

2018-11-09 18:56:30 UTC  

yeah and the germans

2018-11-09 18:56:36 UTC  

manned torpedoes

2018-11-09 18:56:39 UTC  

but they didnt use chinese factory childeren

2018-11-09 18:57:02 UTC  

V1 or the V2 some of the ancestors of the ICBMS nowadays

2018-11-09 18:57:10 UTC  

ye, Japanese patriots are more reliable

2018-11-09 18:57:12 UTC  

the japanese also had manned missiles

2018-11-09 18:57:12 UTC  

wut no

2018-11-09 18:57:20 UTC  

kamikaze pilots

2018-11-09 18:57:20 UTC  

definitely not V1 or V2 at least

2018-11-09 18:57:32 UTC  

no im talking about the germans using v1/2

2018-11-09 18:57:42 UTC  

yeah those weren't manned

2018-11-09 18:58:37 UTC  

i confused them with something else

2018-11-09 18:58:56 UTC  

yeah my bad

2018-11-09 18:59:59 UTC  

the japanese still did the most crazy stuff as in weaponry

2018-11-09 19:00:14 UTC  

if it werent for weapons the germans would be the lunatics

2018-11-09 19:00:20 UTC  

with their scientists

2018-11-09 19:00:38 UTC  

I think you may have gotten those two mixed up...

2018-11-09 19:00:57 UTC  

wait what

2018-11-09 19:01:30 UTC  

are you still talking about the v1/2 issue?

2018-11-09 19:08:59 UTC  

Germans had Vampir, the first infantry night-vision, a really crazy idea at the time.
The first jet fighter, Me-262, that was insane for it's time
Me 163 Komet, a rocket-powered plane with photo-cells and a cannon mounted facing up, that would blitz past under enemy planes and the cannon would automatically fire when the photocell got blocked, as human reaction speed was nowhere near good enough to hit, a crazy idea in and of itself
"Silbervogel", a project never finished that would have sent a 100 ton plane shaped like a flying wing, carrying liquid oxygen and oil mixed with powdered aluminium as fuel, fly West skipping (like you skip a rock on water) on the denser layers of the atmosphere once you get higher up, technically reaching space, eventually reaching the states where it'd drop a 10 ton bomb, and continue going West to where the pilot would hopefully be able to slow down and parachute to safety in Japan
Of course the V1 and V2 that laid the groundwork for both the US and Soviet space programs
Patterned camouflage
And a ton of other crazy stuff

2018-11-09 19:09:52 UTC  

how much of this actually worked?

2018-11-09 19:10:23 UTC  

i know military researchin and experimenting was very high so alot of stupid shit got approved aswell

2018-11-09 19:10:40 UTC  

all of those worked, except Silbervogel which would have needed more heat shielding to not burn up (as they were mostly guessing what the atmosphere would be like)

2018-11-09 19:10:55 UTC  

Komet worked, but wasn't very successful

2018-11-09 19:14:22 UTC  

Vampir worked, and was a nightmare for those facing it, but it saw too limited deployment and of course has very niche uses to begin with
Me 262, the jet fighter, revolutionized air combat overnight and jet fighters have been the norm since. Patterned camouflage is used by almost every military across the globe, and the children of the V1 and V2 project took us to the moon and gave us things like satellites

2018-11-09 19:14:52 UTC  

also the stg

2018-11-09 19:17:03 UTC  

I wasn't counting that one as the idea isn't crazy, it's sensible and they were just the first to do it properly. No doubt people elsewhere analyzing the war accounts in hindsight would figure out something between the infantry rifle and the SMG is needed and it makes a lot of sense to make the two one and the same

2018-11-09 19:18:39 UTC  

it wan't a radical invention like the rest, more of a stepping stone in the evolution of infantry weapons... Or maybe it just looks that way in hindsight... A lot of people were making infantry weaponry with sights all the way out to 1000m for a long, long time...

2018-11-09 19:19:18 UTC  

There are no new ideas left, only now we are better able to execute ideas, some of which couldn't work in the past because of limiting factors.

2018-11-09 19:42:42 UTC  

Regarding EMP
https://survivalblog.com/real-world-emp-effects-on-moto/
Just a person's summary of what looks to be good data, TL;DR **30 kV/m** is slightly annoying for a tiny fraction of unshielded civilian cars

https://www.qsl.net/pa2ohh/jsvpm.htm
Calculator I used
With:
- 80 MW (80 000 000 W. Portable garage generators typically go for around 10 000-20 000 Watts, so around 4000 of those, or batteries holding all that power if you're shooting one pulse at a time with a reload time inbetween)
- a Gain of 50 dBi (which you can only get from a well-directed, very large dish antenna that you have to aim... not gonna calculate exactly *how* big it needs to be and what the wavelength of the EMP needs to be)
- a range of 500 meters

You get just over that **30 kV/m**, enough to knock out some civilian cars

2018-11-09 19:47:00 UTC  

this is what the absurdity of EMP looks like, instead of that several meter wide dish and the truck-sized generator you could deploy an entire line of machinegunners. Or automated machinegun drones or whatever. the only real risk we have of EMP is from the sun, which obviously can't be weaponized, or with a high-altitude nuke, but then you're wasting a perfectly good nuke to fry some electronics

2018-11-09 19:52:00 UTC  

but hey, if you use THIS
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/The_Arecibo_Observatory_20151101114231-0_8e7cc_c7a44aca_orig.jpg

with a diameter of 300 meters, and a dBi of 80, you only need 100 KW to make the dashboard flicker on that car 500 meters away!

2018-11-09 19:52:55 UTC  

But the dream of knocking out all the lights in an enemy city is as old as wars against cities.