@Mr. Nessel You can raise birthrates by taking away womens voting and working rights, but no-one does, so they dont. It does work in enclaves like with the amish or muslims but ideally these rules should be based in law. Of course now that women vote, they will vote against these changes because theyre women and dont think about whats good for society longterm, so you can never establish them through democratic means.

Amish don't have so many children because they're forced to lol

you dont think the amish keep their pimp hand strong?

People can just leave and do

Which is why it's working

Amish lost all the riff raff pretty much

its a tight-nit community, you can say they can just leave but obviously there is social pressure against that and women do respond to that

I think the point is that these smaller measures don’t make the population inherently more pro-natalist

And only natural selection can accomplish that

no

We actually have examples of policy failing at correctign birthrates

literally do feminism in reverse, thats all im saying

Birthrates were lower under N*zi Germany than Weimar Germany for example

Hungary's and Poland's natalist policies barely raised birthrates at all

women work in those countries

dont make me repeat myself

All you need to do is weather out the storm and see people who are genetic dead ends sort themselves out of the population

Birthrates were dropping since the beginning of industrialization, not feminism

Not that feminism is a good thing

But it's not the cause of the damage

Not being a peasant who requires their children as farmhands and needs to have 8 so 3 come through is unveiling people who are dead ends under these conditions

i disagree entirely

https://www.conservationinstitute.org/5-overpopulation-solutions/

"Sex education is paramount, but it goes hand-in-hand with overall education. The relationship between education and a lower fertility rate is especially evident in women, as statistics from both developed and developing countries prove.

Education opens the door to more opportunities and higher-paying jobs. More than anything, it shows an alternative future that’s independent of having children. In many developing countries, becoming a wife and mother is one of the only prospects young girls see. When they attend school, they begin to understand a way they can make a life form themselves independently."

Read articles on overpopulation, feminism almost always comes up

if you just phrase the things we see as problems as something positive, you will find many articles even by mainstream media about it

**When the winning forces in WW2, after it ended, forced the japanese to let their women vote, their birthrates immediately shit the bed**

If you can show me a study that takes kidnapped amish babies and lets them be raised by egalitarian average white ppl and then records how many children they go on to have over the course of their fertility window, and its significantly higher than the birthrate of average white ppl, then Im willing to consider your dead end theory as at least part of the explanation

fertility rate japan

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:

While **women in Japan were recognized as having equal legal rights to men after World War II**, economic conditions for women remain unbalanced.[4] Modern policy initiatives to encourage motherhood and workplace participation have had mixed results.[5]

**Women in Japan obtained the right to vote in 1947**. While Japanese women's status has improved in the last decades, traditional expectations for married women and mothers are cited as a barrier to full economic equality.[6]

From the same article: "There is continuing debate about the role women's education plays in Japan's declining birthrate.[44] Japan's total fertility rate is 1.4 children born per woman (2015 estimate),[45] which is below the replacement rate of 2.1"

The funniest thing is that Japan is now trying to get more women into the workforce to replace the children theyre not having **because** theyre in the workforce

Its a divine comedy

The decline precedes WW2

It's prosperity in general

Looking at France though which had its decline as one of the first countries it's already starting to reverse (even accounting for muslims)

Do you mean that native french are having increasing birthrates? where do you even get that data, i thought in france they dont separate people by race in any statistics

They don't but immigration wasn't thing which caused the increase afaik