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barely human
they require severe beating and forcefull conversion to become human
Lmao.
European muslims.
Converted just to get gibs from the Turkish goverment.
More complicated than that
Bosnians converted in large part because they were despised by both the orthodox and catholic church so becoming muslim is how they gave both of them the middle finger
It's pretty tragic tbh
Oh i know, most of the tribes around the Bosnians hated them because they were known for raiding. The Catholic church tried to regin them in and failed. (Tbh they only aceapted te catholic church because it was a means to protect themselves from the tribes and nation's around them looking at there land). Even before hand the Bosnians never really aceapted Catholic authority in the land.
Themselves were amore akin to loose christanity and many still practied Pagan worship. Also a majoirty of Bosnians at the time practied the Bogomilian Hersey which resembled Islam more than that of Christanity.
Back to the loose Christanity part, the churchs weren't even united on the teachings of Christ. When the Turks came Bosnians were in a perpetual state of war agaisnt the Serbs and nations surronding them. The Turk's promised Secuirty and properity in exchange for there conversion to Islam.
So the offer was aceapted and many served within the Turkish Armies heading north against Hungry. The reason why the are reviled in europe is because they beytrayed there Cultral kin and gave into the invaders from the south. Before hand they were respected as Brethern by the Slav's in the south. But when they sided with Invaders they were essentially dissavowed.
But the Situation is even more complecated then that, and i have only diped a toe into the water's.
But overall history of the different people's of europe is facsentating.
@Norik I agree with your points, the map is supposed to be cultural and genetic, so I choose language subfamilies because are the best predictors for both.
yeah I'm saying that's a reductionist assumption
dangerously reductionist, even
considering the need for european unity at times like these
Anyway thanks for the feedback, from all of you, I will take it in consideration when I rework the map.
neat
> barely human
> they require severe beating and forcefull conversion to become human
@vexmasina44 ah yes forceful conversion because that's perfectly just
I know
this
of course they don't talk about pedophilia
Just curious, do you have Serb connections @Canadian Man ? I didn't know much about these matters until I made some Serb friends.
@Justine Brown's Bookshelf Nah, I'm just a history nerd. I love to look into overall history and some of the lesser known facts of the time.
The Balkans are fascinating.
You're correct on that notion.
@Justine Brown's Bookshelf What are you're opinions on the Balkans as of now?.
https://acalendarofhistory.news.blog/2020/04/01/1st-april-1922-kaiser-of-austria-karl-i-von-habsburg-dies/?fbclid=IwAR2bWUbeMnQ13Dg9LDTi6tX7Vf4M356G5vZdTk1gH-qk0WHSyhSbZBgExKwhttps://acalendarofhistory.news.blog/2020/04/01/1st-april-1922-kaiser-of-austria-karl-i-von-habsburg-dies/?fbclid=IwAR2bWUbeMnQ13Dg9LDTi6tX7Vf4M356G5vZdTk1gH-qk0WHSyhSbZBgExKw
a bit late
April fools
sadly not
:(
Reading about WWI on the Eastern front at the moment
@Canadian Man Well, since meeting these Serbs I've been to Serbia, Montenegro and Croatia and talked to lots of people. I have more sympathy with nationalism now than previously... I think the last war was about the difficulty of unscrambling the omelette that was Yugoslavia.
@Justine Brown's Bookshelf which part of montenegro did you visit?