Message from @Norik

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2020-02-21 16:00:13 UTC  

I don't like to think of countries as "based" or "cucked". The only thing that matters is the ideas that have institutional power. The average person of any country doesn't have any power or much interest in politics. They'll generally follow the rules passed down by the culture which the institutions influence.

2020-02-21 16:01:13 UTC  

we need to destroy pop culture somehow

2020-02-21 16:01:40 UTC  

BUT I NEED TO CONSOOM

2020-02-21 16:03:29 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/672211350436708356/680444494327316498/image0.jpg

2020-02-21 16:07:38 UTC  

Consume product

2020-02-21 16:07:47 UTC  

Then get excited for next product

2020-02-21 16:20:06 UTC  

to small glasses

2020-02-21 16:24:18 UTC  

I agree with the point about institutional control, but I’d add that demographics are the ultimate determinant over the long term. Institutions will always swing and there will always be intellectual fads, but as long as there’s another clean generation in the wait they will always revert back to the norm.

2020-02-21 16:25:12 UTC  

The problem with demographic shift is that the norm is fundamentally transformed, such that it can never be returned to

2020-02-21 16:25:35 UTC  

Russia is pretty bad demographically so I think they'll just eventually transition into an ethnocracy

2020-02-21 16:26:02 UTC  

It'll still claim to be antiracist because it's a multiracial empire

2020-02-21 16:26:30 UTC  

I also don't think homogeneity is a panacea, not even in the long run

2020-02-21 16:27:04 UTC  

Conformity is a big hurdle and I don't think we have properly figured out how to overcome it

2020-02-21 16:27:34 UTC  

Homogeneity isn’t necessarily the goal as long as there’s a solid and dominant ethnic core

2020-02-21 16:28:22 UTC  

Think Germans in the HRE/Austro-Hungary, Russians in the Russian Empire or the USSR, Chinese in Singapore, anglos in Canada, etc

2020-02-21 16:30:23 UTC  

Which is why I think Russia will be an ethnocracy eventually

2020-02-21 16:30:44 UTC  

Isn’t it kind of already one?

2020-02-21 16:30:52 UTC  

Sort of

2020-02-21 16:31:33 UTC  

In effect it is one

2020-02-21 16:32:42 UTC  

@Norik I don't even think demographics is as important as institutional strength. South Africa was only 16% white during apartheid, but since they held institutional strength and had the ability to segregate themselves, they were fine. In America there's a group that only makes up 2% of the population, but they have so much institutional strength, we can't even mention them aloud.

2020-02-21 16:33:00 UTC  

True

2020-02-21 16:33:23 UTC  

Same as whites in places like colonial Latin America

2020-02-21 16:33:53 UTC  

I’d infinitely rather live in a homogenous country though

2020-02-21 16:35:16 UTC  

Such extreme cases are probably not sustainable though

2020-02-21 16:35:35 UTC  

As evidenced by the fact that they have all collapsed within 200 years of their establishment

2020-02-21 16:36:29 UTC  

@Norik Yeah same, but I'd rather live in a 20% white country with segregation and no affirmative action than in a 70% white country under liberalism.

2020-02-21 16:36:48 UTC  

Careful what you wish for

2020-02-21 16:38:35 UTC  

@Mr. Nessel Russia is diverse, but it's concentrated in different areas. Saint Petersburg (where I stayed) is over 90% white. Places in the Caucuses or Siberia have more Muslims.

2020-02-21 16:39:59 UTC  

I'm aware that it varies by region

2020-02-21 16:40:14 UTC  

But on paper it's one of the most diverse European states

2020-02-21 16:40:39 UTC  

Of course not as much west of the Urals

2020-02-21 16:41:50 UTC  

@Norik The biggest problems are forced association and affirmative action. Without that, you could have a decent life. Yeah, I'd rather have a homogeneous nation, but that's not the reality we live in now.

2020-02-21 16:43:21 UTC  

@Endeavour the thing about being in a 20 percent white community with segregation is that your very vulnerable like in South Africa

2020-02-21 16:43:32 UTC  

Having grown up in a Latin American country I can confirm. Problem is that if we’re considering practical realities, we’re not going to do away with democracy. If you’re outnumbered you’re fucked in any electoral system.

2020-02-21 16:43:43 UTC  

@Mr. Nessel Yeah, but it's nothing like the UK where diversity has been manufactured by a hostile elite. It still causes problems though. They need X-rays in the metro stations to check large bags because Chechens have committed terrorist attacks there.

2020-02-21 16:44:34 UTC  

@Skellington Yeah, I know, but if you control the institutions, you can defend yourself.

2020-02-21 16:45:11 UTC  

Yes but that also stirs up alot if resentment among the majority

2020-02-21 16:45:33 UTC  

You would have to do it well

2020-02-21 16:46:03 UTC  

Hell even if you were nice and made them prosperous they would probably just hate you because of your ethnicity

2020-02-21 16:46:55 UTC  

A major reason why black crime is such a nightmare for white America is because the police aren't allowed to fairly enforce the law. They'll be skewered by the media and the academics.

2020-02-21 16:47:53 UTC  

Heres the issue