Yeah, I mean, you're about to get me started on how democracy is illegitimate to begin with and how this is all bullshit anyway lol

Its on the border of WV

Has historical ties

@RUIN Thoughts on the map?

https://www.yapms.com/app/?m=17l2

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/4607728002

My thoughts are that it's a perfect example of why democracy, even the representative republican sort of democracy, is illegitimate

Even in a system like ours that tries to negate majoritarianism, entire states are still ruined by a few counties with 51% of the population in them

But I hope they go through with it, it will shake things up and help normalize the idea that the current state borders are impermenant and can/should be changed

Secession is on track to become a mainstream idea some day. You just need enough politically engaged people to accept that people in this country are at odds because of irreconcilable differences in values and being

So it would be a very good thing for the Virginias to do this

It helps us more than it helps the left, even if it isn't an immediate solution to the problem.

But I think it will one day be the only real alternative to a boogaloo

You might get both but lets hope not

oh no

der sperger

Yeah, it's like:
>no secession = 100% chance of eventual boogaloo
>secession = 50% chance

Secession allows the creation of a young, easily influenceable nation if done at a federal level. If that happened, we should immediately try to get into the government and redefine the nation

divide by 8

Yeah, you could easily get 8 new countries out of the CONUS

Let Alaska and Hawaii be their own nation states.

Alaska would be nearly as powerful as Canada

Because of resources

hot take, give Alaska back to Russia

No

Yes

I’d love to live there

No

Alaska belongs to the US

Alaska is a beautiful place

I don’t want saggy 60 year old slav colonists

Lmao jk

Make CONUS into New England, the Atlantic South, the Heartland (Midwest), the Northern Range (north between Midwest and PNW), Cascadia (PNW), El Norte (mid southwest near Mexican border), and the Republic of California. NorCal can just be part of Cascadia

That makes seven, plus Alaska and Hawaii as their own nation states

Can some states form a confederation?

And where does Pennsylvania fall into?

Yeah, I would say dissolve the current US Federal government and give each of these regions their own federal govt, then they can form alliances as they please

So the Heartland would probably ally with Atlantic South and Northern Range for example

Pennsylvania is a tough one. West PA is more of a Midwestern type of area but east PA is practically NY

No reason existing state borders have to be the same either.

I would say make Chicago its own nation state as well so it doesn't shit up the Heartland