That's full fledged movements. That's what we aspire to be not what we can be to begin with

Each person's time is limited, you may convince their mind, but you also must convince their body as to why spending time to fight for your group is better than other activities.

Right now organization would rely on a small energetic core of ppl willing to put aside risk and work freely

The smallest community organizer makes micro-movements for local issues by essentially taking advantage of the existence of local problems large enough that can be fixed by the action of people.

Ex. Tenant Strikes

Let us look at some larger examples, the largest and most powerful somewhat right-wing organization now is the National Rifle Association (NRA). It has a membership who pays due to ensure the lobbying and advocacy for the rights of gunowners. Members can be very fanatic for this cause because even at the most local level, their enemies can push to pass laws to limit gun rights. So to prevent their guns from being taken (a material crisis of a smaller kind) they have stronger urgency to care much more since at any moment the enemy winning is detrimental for their own personal self-defense and hobbies. Essentially fighting for the dissident right has the opposite incentives, by fighting for it you require so much sacrifice for low potential reward. For the average NRA member, not fighting makes him lose more than what time and money he sacrifices. It is all a cost-benefit analysis of people. To depend on a few energetic core of people willing to put risk aside and work freely is quite a thin line, to fundamentally take advantage and manipulate interest is the essence of politics itself, to fight directly instead of to figure out means of incentivization would only make the fighter unnecessarily too difficult.

I think we need to set up an organization specifically aspiring to become a mass movement but starting out with the minority of people who are not lethargic, are willing to take risk and no pay.
Then have it grow for a while until you have the numbers to idk make yourself heard (Identitarians in Germany like banner drops for example).
Grow enough so you can Fund full time activists and eventually have people support each other. Only then I think you really have the critical mass to convert conformists given an opportunity

The starters would always likely be more active and caring people, but it is their responsibility to ensure a real incentive to join exists for future members instead of depending on passing on their fanaticism of belief alone to carry it all.

Yeah it is the dedicated few at first which maintain and expand a proto movement

Until it expands enough to become proper

The incentives aren't set up from the get go

Let me give an example

The impetus for fascism in Italy was a resentfull dedicated few

Which eventually grew into a proper mass movement

They didn't have funding etc. at first

For Fascism, there was a Resentful Few that was able to take advantage of existing growing mass resentment, our situation is that resentment and desire for specific dissident right views are still few. We live in a time where potential resentment is met with competing belief systems and hedonism to help demobilize potential actions

This is a great book about how mass movements are born: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_True_Believer#Part_1._The_Appeal_of_Mass_Movements

Do you actually think fascists were unchallenged

They seized upon resentment over other viable players like the socialists

Italy could've gone a number of ways

It's not much different to now really

We just can't properly capitalize on these things

Fascism and Communism where the primary competitors of their time, now competition is much more fierce with much more different variations and even Non-Ideological means of swaying people.

And Fascism having a historical stigma mixed with it for today

It wasn't just communists either. There moderates, the far left and right and only the far right actually managed to capitalize on opportunities

All the moderates right now have is inertia

The leftists aren't even a proper mass movement or they would know to only pander to economically resentfull whites

The right is completely occupied by moderates

What needs to happen is an organization (not fascism obviously) for the far right organized by a dedicated few which aspires to become a mass movement

There's no persuading people into creating one for you

Would you say you will be one of these few dedicated organizers?

I would be willing to but it's very risky in Germany from a legal pov so I mostly plan on joining the AfD and alligning with the Flügel and youth wing of the party

America is very tricky because of the electoral system

Something like the justice democrats but for dissident right types might work though

Idk how you would avoid getting kicked out though

Maybe organize in parallel to the GOP but that takes away from the focus of a mass movement and wouldn't actually grant political representation

Anyway we should realize political work that is done without an organization is basically just a pressure release valve/escapism which is paralyzing us

you know, something that's unfortunate

people say that went Biden was launching his presidential campaign, he wanted to announce Stacy Abrams as his VP candidate from day 1

but she turned him down

she's arrogant. She didn't want to commit to being Biden's running mate, wanted to leave her options open so whoever the nominee was going to be, she could be the running mate.