Message from @Mr. Nessel
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I don't think the major issue was pricing
What they also did is just lower prices without keeping up production
So someone on paper could afford all the food they want but in practice it was first come first served
Slack labour is another point people like to make but it really exists under any system
"I pretend to work so they pretend to pay" is something you see even today
Yes but companies that do that too much tend to go bankrupt.
Not necessarily
Small buisnesses do
There were a tons of problems with it. Bad incentives, bad information for the planners, lack of know-how, but most of that could be solved in theory. That without price signals for them, you cannot allocate non-specific higher-order capital goods rationally, that would break the back of socialism.
There is a lot of dead weight in large corporations
In my company, we all slacked. We were also all fired eventually, so make of that what you will 🤷♂️
huh
i did exactly the same
Yes there is, they suffer from a lot of the same problems like governments do.
I don't think the issue with their plans was prices
They were simply rewarding the least effective parts of their economy to become more developed
why does this keep happening to me
fired for no good reason
Not prices per se
Prices for capital goods
Idk. Afaik when corn output looked bad someone like Krushchev just focused attention and resources exclusively there
Which leads to negative consequences
Like virgin land not actually being that good
Or other parts of the economy being left behind
Not to mention when they industrialized the country by forcing rural people into cities and selling corn and whatnot abroad causing a famine
Just so they could buy tractors
I'd really advise you to look up the calculation-problem, if you find the time. *A Socialist Empire: The Incas of Peru* is a really good demonstration of it. The Peruvians were more socialistic than about any other society that ever existed, and it functioned. However, it did so because their economy was extremely primitive. All their tools were multi-purpose and no production process took more than three or four steps, at most.
I'm familiar they didn't use money
Yep
I wonder if they kept track with knots though
I doubt them not using quasi currency
Like debt based one
I haven't heard of them doing so, except in the border regions
Or similiar to temple complex economies of antiquity
Maybe within the upper classes, too
Idk what other use they would have for the knots
Calculation and keeping statistics
They had a very good census system
Always knew which cities required how much food
They never suffered a famine, from what I know
Even though they migrated populations when they felt like it, to split up rebellious communities, for example. Yet they never fell into a Malthusian trap, which is something that tends to happen with population displacement
Might be because the people there didn't need to fear Stalin when reporting bad harvests
Yep
The Incas could be brutal but they really tried hard not to suffer any famine