Power we seek can only be attained through seperation in such a way that our ideas dominate

A new nation state has a vacant government

True, but we need to focus on the union's because they are never going away.

We can become the old guard

Unions first then you can influence the goverment.

We need to get rid of the swamp in the teachers union.

Violence is a great way to have the mass media denounce our ideology even more than it already has, allow the government to justify branding many nationalist groups and actions as terroristic, and make people who would otherwise agree with us distance themselves.

I:E Antifa.

@21ooAB new states aren't born in a vacuum

Not entirely

not at all

but to a greater degree

A new state would likely have a provisional government and eventually it would transition

all the slots would be filled

Think of the Continential Congress

and how it evolved over time

all well known men from their individual states

Yes

tended to be rich and influencial

I am trying to do the same

@21ooAB I am genuinely interested in how you think violence will allow people like us to win.

It won’t allow us to win

It is a likely consequence of us winning

If we took control of a nation, it would be through a show of force

Even if we did have the government in our hands

Like a purge? Or am I misconstuing your words.

Somewhat.

Like a coup or seccession crisis

And it might fail, it can't be relied on.

No

we will never gain power democratically

If we got control of a nation, we would have to fight a war of independence against a coalition

Letting dissident right wingers have control of even a fraction of the US puts globalism in jeapordy

I don't have a fantasy of a democratic revolution, but a violent coup or war for independence seems like a recipe for disaster.

Stop deconstructing and give me a solution then, damn it!

You never know how many U.S soldiers would defect and join and how many would shoot us on the spot.

*sigh* I don't know for now. I'll cease until I can find a solution.

I apologize for being so deconstructive.

Its fine. I have to go to bed anyway

good night

I just want you to take what I said into consideration, about the positives and negatives.