Message from @Mr. Nessel

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2020-03-06 23:19:23 UTC  

Mercantalism enabled the merchants who used their newfound powers to then bring forth liberalism

2020-03-06 23:19:32 UTC  

Yes

2020-03-06 23:19:56 UTC  

But you could only remove those powers by impoverishing them or foricng them to fall in line

2020-03-06 23:20:00 UTC  

Like China does

2020-03-06 23:20:12 UTC  

China unironically is doing ISI right

2020-03-06 23:20:27 UTC  

ISI being import substitution industrialization

2020-03-06 23:20:31 UTC  

With a focus on exports

2020-03-06 23:20:41 UTC  

Politics is always about the friction of power interests and mercantilism seems dangerously too close to liberalism. A state authority which is not controlled by productive entities is important

2020-03-06 23:21:00 UTC  

Arguably China is even pursuing mercantilism because of how it acquires raw resources

2020-03-06 23:21:29 UTC  

Mercantilism was about empowering the national economy not the merchant class

2020-03-06 23:22:03 UTC  

The only reason it got out of hand in Europe is that old elites didn't anticipate the new state of affairs and were slow to adapt

2020-03-06 23:22:52 UTC  

Absolutist France did little to incorporate the merchant class as a subordinate but integral part of its order, whislt continuing to court the old elites

2020-03-06 23:23:00 UTC  

That being landed nobles etc.

2020-03-06 23:35:58 UTC  

Corporatism Gang then?

2020-03-06 23:36:59 UTC  

Corporatism was interesting attempt at least

2020-03-06 23:38:00 UTC  

I think it emphasized nationalization too much but its attempt to end class struggle and create a real national economy is admirable

2020-03-06 23:38:13 UTC  

Not bad in principle but practice

2020-03-06 23:39:04 UTC  

If Mercantilism wants to minimize imports and maximize exports, that would presume there would be nations that have to be the big importers, meaning mercantilism can't really be followed by every country

2020-03-06 23:39:04 UTC  

Which isn't to say it can't be readjusted and or incorporated into an updated approach

2020-03-06 23:40:49 UTC  

@Despot Romanicus the Enslaver that's why historically they had colonies which were exporting low value raw materials and manufacturing in the motherland

2020-03-06 23:41:06 UTC  

The point back then was accumulating gold

2020-03-06 23:41:10 UTC  

Nowadays Neoliberals prefer Neo-Colonialism

2020-03-06 23:41:39 UTC  

But the real merit of mercantilism is expanding the productive forces of a country

2020-03-06 23:42:25 UTC  

ISI at the very least can be followed by any country in principle

2020-03-06 23:43:33 UTC  

Basically restricting industrial imports until you create a base in your own country using your own demand

2020-03-06 23:45:05 UTC  

You gradually cut out the stuff you used to Import and substitute it with a domestic alternative which is sheltered from international competition

2020-03-06 23:45:56 UTC  

Countries that don't follow ISI basically hope capital rich countries will invest in them

2020-03-06 23:46:50 UTC  

They're stuck with an economy heavily reliant on the primary sector (farming, mining, fishing and forrestry)

2020-03-06 23:47:27 UTC  

And then use what little purchasing power they have on foreign imports

2020-03-06 23:49:02 UTC  

ISI would have that country industrialize by pulling itself up with its own demand/purchasing power

2020-03-06 23:49:53 UTC  

I presume from there such country can survive taking a more economically isolationist route from foreign entities?

2020-03-06 23:49:54 UTC  

Technically this can still be done in established economies

2020-03-06 23:50:24 UTC  

Autarky is not that desirable

2020-03-06 23:51:25 UTC  

Once you start getting into manufacturing you would want steel etc. to cost as little as possible

2020-03-06 23:52:13 UTC  

You wouldn't want your car manufacturers that export to become uncompetitive just to retain a steel industry for example

2020-03-06 23:52:30 UTC  

How would one ensure that these things do not create an incentive for people to simply adopt more Liberal policies?

2020-03-06 23:53:13 UTC  

By making the corporations proxies of the state

2020-03-06 23:53:27 UTC  

You wouldn't outright nationalize them

2020-03-06 23:54:05 UTC  

However a huge corporation is an institution into itself and needs to bend to national interest

2020-03-06 23:54:27 UTC  

If CEOs etc. don't comply they can be removed

2020-03-06 23:55:19 UTC  

It's also important to push outward economically to prevent filth from seeping in through imports etc.