Message from @Lucian
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Good rule of thumb is once the assailant is no longer attacking have him get onto the ground and call the police and make sure he doesn't go anywhere.
The definition of when you can use deadly force does allow you to gun down an escaping felon though.
well the rule of thumb is, always say you used lethal force to stop a threat.... do not say you have to kill him... this is where it becomes a legal trap where they can argue you use lethal for to kill, not to stop a threat...
But he is escaping though?
@Lucian actually, there was a case iirc where someone was running outside and was shot, i think the guy somehow got the jury to believe the guy was still a threat because the guy running threatened he was coming back....
What can get the cops in trouble is the portion where it says, "lesser means have been exhausted or cannot be reasonably employed"
They are trained in lesser means so in most cases it can be reasonably employed they also have tasers which work sometimes.
well taser doesn't work after 1 ranged deploy and 2 dry stun, indoors so no go on oc spray...
also they are not trained in MMA, so doesn't know grappling techniques, they have lethal force left..
There is also a chance that a deployed taser can ignite pepper spray.
i got in a heated debate on why lesser than lethal actually leads to a bigger problem than just with lethal force... :V the idea was for taser to work, they would have to be within 30 feet to deploy, and leads to a false sense or security when taser only works 50% of the time...
Not even 50% of the time. You need both prongs making good contact and clothing is sufficient insulation especially winter clothes which will allow even less penetration.
Just beanbag everyone in the junk
^LAPD said roughly 50% of all taser deployment worked on first deployment, and each subsequent try has lower chances..
Baggy shirts could also prevent good contact. I saw a video where the police tasered a guy who was wearing a white cotton shirt. He then tried to make the arrest with a baton which was then wrestled out of his grip and after that the police just shot him.
Even then there's footage of people just not going the fuck down
How about deploying riot shield as a weapon of choice?
bulky... doesn't stop hand to hand confrontation..
But then officers are also trained to immediately bring out their sidearm too are they not?
True it is bulky, but most of the time it takes more than two police to engage a attacker, so if both cop are armed with a shield, it should make it hard for the attacker to use hand to hand combat
If it were as easy to carry as a telescoping baton I could see it but shields are only really viable when they have time to deploy it.
^ASP are illegal in kommiefornia
Does that mean auto-telescoping?
hello, is this the party chat?
Try general or shitposting.
Onto the next <#463068752725016579>: Illegal immigrant militia to take back mexico from cartels. Yes/no?
they are dead. illegal immigrants can't take care of their kids much less form a militia.
Yes
Take the correct Syria option- rearm and send back
Make Mexico Great Again
what about deploying US imperialism to bring central america under full US control. i mean who do you think runs the cartels already?
kill the drug war by accepting the fact that we are losing to dopers.
I need clarification on the debate question.
we're gonna send anyone with an expired visa to mexico to fight the cartels.
I would send them to the Mexican consulate. And let them decide. Mexico cannot decide where US expats go int heir own country. We cannot tell these illeglas what to do in their own home country after we deport them.
true dat, but can we solidify our borders?
End the Drug War. Reform the crminal Justice System. Defund the DoD. And Let immigration return to the States and private property owner.
End eniment domain.
I am for Peace and trade. Illegal immigration, border walls, and tariffs prevent that.
what if texas wants a wall? is that okay?
Sure. As long as it is done voluntarily and without state violence.