trying to smoke out the people that do live around there too it would seem

really the city is just trying to milk as much money as they can I'm sure

Detroit is a complicated story at the end of the day. Urban planners will be studying it for decades.

There's a number of other cities that could be following in it's footsteps in the not-too-distant future too (looking at you Chicago)

Well I think actually why property tax is so high in Detroit must be to pay the teachers

Because there sure as hell are not enough cops, lucky enough the teachers make plenty enough to live where the cops are though

I'll take your word on that. Detroit has a lot of obligations and the AFT has been wagging the dog for a long time.

I don't see how Chicago is supposed to follow

Lots of pension obligations. https://www.illinoispolicy.org/chicagos-63-billion-debt-burden/

Rapidly expanding suburbs (as far out as Indiana)

Lots of corruption.

Gary is scary

750 million over five years

real short of 29 billion

Yeah. There's a lot of places teetering on the brink of something really bad.

why would this cripple Chicago though?

Gary itself wouldn't. It's if the tax base moves out.

I don't think enough would

Phoenix is getting crowded

Out of date. But I don't think things have changed.

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/chicago-area-sees-greatest-population-loss-of-any-major-u-s-city-in-2015/

Phoenix is exploding.

Californian retirees looking to save money.

Many companies

Also Phoenix has been where many of the Chicagoans have been gong for a while

My grandparents originally went there from LA looking for work

I could see it. Back when I lived in Texas, as Detroit was fraying apart (but not yet collapsed) we would compete to see how many Michigan plates we could count.

Decline is slow and prolonged. And then it hits a critical point, accelerates and implodes.

There aren't enough cities

Chicago could potentially hobble on for quite some time.

But it's in a dangerous position.

I know here in Indy will boom cause there is room but many cities already highly populated

there's always more room. There's always more cities.

On the extreme end you've got Seoul Levels of population density.

It's about conditions.

The rural exodus has caused a lot of recent city population climbs

Cities like Indy are trying to catch up

Yeah. I could see that.

St. Louis Chicago Cleveland Detroit

Have been dumping people into other cities for a while, only so much the takers can take on top of people from state coming in and international migrants

Look at louisville

More than double population since 2000