Message from @pratel

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2018-07-26 18:38:14 UTC  

I'm saying by the time we reach that point, the conceptions of what a person is and what is doable will be radically different.

2018-07-26 18:38:45 UTC  

"Strong AI" right now is mostly good at a couple of tasks or learning straightforward new ones with lots of data.

2018-07-26 18:38:50 UTC  

I see so your argument is that it will be slow enough in development as to not be a problem?

2018-07-26 18:39:01 UTC  

One of my arguments.

2018-07-26 18:39:25 UTC  

No one has strong ai.

2018-07-26 18:39:31 UTC  

Correct.

2018-07-26 18:39:43 UTC  

Not in the "everything you can do the computer can do better"

2018-07-26 18:39:51 UTC  

General AI is not strong AI.

2018-07-26 18:39:57 UTC  

And FWIW, I'm not sure that will necessarily ever happen.

2018-07-26 18:40:01 UTC  

I didn't say better.

2018-07-26 18:40:08 UTC  

Per say.

2018-07-26 18:40:24 UTC  

Like everything I can do the robot will do way better.

2018-07-26 18:40:37 UTC  

But they will be better from an economic stand point.

2018-07-26 18:40:39 UTC  

But can it do all of them together better?

2018-07-26 18:40:55 UTC  

Integration is a fundamental and important task. It's also one that is too easily ignored.

2018-07-26 18:41:46 UTC  

Okay so we'll still have project managers?

2018-07-26 18:42:46 UTC  

But probably not even that, if we get a general intelligence, it should be able to integrate with it's self just fine.

2018-07-26 18:43:05 UTC  

And we'll still have park rangers, and we'll still have artists, and we'll still have government...

2018-07-26 18:43:14 UTC  

I disagree.

2018-07-26 18:43:40 UTC  

You have a hundred tools, you're saying just one more tool will necessarily make them all work together? And know what to build?

2018-07-26 18:43:54 UTC  

there's lots of weird rivets in these things.

2018-07-26 18:44:06 UTC  

Well when we have proff one way or the other we'll see, but the point remains that general AI doesn't have to be better than us as the job, just have to make more sense economically than us.

2018-07-26 18:44:14 UTC  

It's not just "I take API1 and then it gets along with API2"

2018-07-26 18:44:34 UTC  

I know what you mean.

2018-07-26 18:44:49 UTC  

1. that's mostly true
2. it's not that different when you think about it. How do you define "better"

2018-07-26 18:45:16 UTC  

Economically better.

2018-07-26 18:45:25 UTC  

More cost effective.

2018-07-26 18:45:57 UTC  

Then the statement "general AI doesn't have to be better...just make more sense economically" is somewhere between contradictory and tautological.

2018-07-26 18:46:12 UTC  

I'm saying there's other niches and things.

2018-07-26 18:46:26 UTC  

And people will be as much a part of the AI system as the software itself.

2018-07-26 18:46:30 UTC  

Yes but niches aren't going to supply employment for the nation.

2018-07-26 18:46:41 UTC  

And you know this how?

2018-07-26 18:46:56 UTC  

Were you around in the 1st dot com boom?

2018-07-26 18:47:06 UTC  

Yes.

2018-07-26 18:47:17 UTC  

Napstar was amazng.

2018-07-26 18:47:23 UTC  

Then you remember how we were told that every store in the country was going to be dead.

2018-07-26 18:47:30 UTC  

The recording industry was going to die.

2018-07-26 18:48:09 UTC  

Most local stores did die, and the record industry hasn't sold more new music than old music 3 years running.

2018-07-26 18:48:24 UTC  

Sure, there's less profit in running stores now and the recording industry is not as all-powerful as it once was, but Wal-mart is still around Coffee shops are everywhere and there's more music now than ever.

2018-07-26 18:48:57 UTC  

Everyone is making way less money.

2018-07-26 18:49:29 UTC  

No one is buying music, at least no one under 40.