it's a very unpopular type of freedom, and people who oppose the freedom of the business, emphasize the freedom of the customer, but imo the customer has no right to be served, no more than they have a right to force people to have sex with them.

i see a business interaction the same way as any other interaction, while others separate business interactions into some kind of special public good category

Aren't religious beliefs protected?

Isn't it illegal to feed pork to a unsuspecting Muslim?

I think offering a generic service is pretty different from offering a custom service. If I am an artist offering to take commissions I want to be able to say "no I don't want to do this for you".

the reason someone rejects service to someone is unimportant to me

Okay, but change the Bakery to Starbucks and the incident where one of their stores asked some civilians to leave because they weren't making a purchase. From their perspective they weren't customers so did they not have every right to refuse them the services of their building which would fall under a generic service. Take away the civilians' skin color and this scenario could still apply to anyone that doesn't purchase Starbuck's services.

imo if you own the property, you can decide who you want to invite

Gaining entry to a place of business and using it for whatever you please simply isn't the same as buying a pre-made cake

Sorry, I meant swap the cake for the place of business; comparing generic Starbucks service to generic Twitter public space service.

Trying to get a more like vs like comparison

in my view it's all the same thing because property rights. when you use twitter you're using hardware that twitter owns.

i think a place is only public if it's tax funded
but the law probably disagrees with me on all points

Not 100% sure on that front so I can't comment xD

tbh i don't really care what the law is, because law makers/politicians argue and the outcome is random

What if it's a company that provides a basic necessity in this day and age?

you mean like food?

Electricity? Food? Gas? Water? Housing?

i dont believe in the positive right to have any of this through means of forcing people to sell it to you

your claim to it isn't higher than the claim of the original owner

So if you start isolating people through these means by denial of such services, what option do you leave them?

it's a cultural problem, if the vast majority rejects interaction with people, you're fucked no matter what

because the government wont defend them either, but rather oppress them and segregate them even harder, since government and law is downstream from culture

which is why both the private sector and public sector oppressed black people back in the day until the culture changed

but in a culture where racism is frowned upon, racist corporate discrimination will be a bad business decision and hurt their profits

I believe I understand where you're coming from, but allowing companies that potentially hold monopolies to out-right deny you services because of what you believe just doesn't sit right with me. However, neither does forced labor. I guess I'll have to believe that the financial hit these companies will take will eventually discourage them from such extreme measures. The size of the backlash on Mastercard will either keep that hope lit, or extinguish it.

Thank you for your thoughts Native

And you too Schedrevka~

if government decides that social media is a public space and regulates it accordingly, i believe it cements their market dominance forever, rather than give them an opportunity to die off like myspace

i get the feeling people subconsciously in a way have a "too big to fail" mentality about these companies.

myspace used to have the social media monopoly

Yea, I recall, but it didn't have as much power as the current giants do.

Gaab looks like a potential contender, but with the issues it's having with being on Microsoft's Azure Cloud Servers do you believe any potential competitors can just as easily rise up and de-throne the big 3?

Or will they have to start from the ground up and build from scratch?

i think it all depends on the internet culture

how much interest there is in alternative platforms

the crypto currency industry is only growing because the interest in it is growing

i believe if people are interested enough, then you cant stop it

I haven't paid much attention in it in a while, is it still growing as strong?

More people are waking up, so maybe there is hope~

im looking for data

It'll come in time