Well there continuing the analogy, an alternative to the public square situation that what reddit provides, & that is formal debate environment that screens the audience only to those who are sit still & be quiet to provide a safe space for the speaker to have a platform regardless of their opinion.

Though I have difficulty thinking of stuff like that aside from platform that allows people to post content that people will have to go out of their way to find & mute comment sections.

Reddit is not a public square

Neither is the private garden in front of the Utah state capital building, except that it is used as one for the purpose of public discussion.

Beemann is also disregarding that I am using the "public square situation" as an analogy.

That's because your analogy is hilariously selective

It's like a public space, except for all the ways in which it isn't at all, including moderation and site formatting

I did also state that reddit gives a poster the "right" when the don't break the rules to state their thoughts, this analogy is used to highlight the limits of base user to user interaction where a base user has no authority to remove another base's post, the only individuals who have the authority to do that would be the rule.

No, you have no rights on reddit lol

You don't have a right because someone else isn't allowed to lawfully hit you in the face, you have a right because the government is restricted in their operation. Moderation on reddit can do what it likes

Which has caused some rather ugly upsets in the past few years

I highlighted “”right” when not breaking the rules” as the obvious limit to even “rights” having. Let us highlight The USA, the high point of the right to free speech still doesn’t allow people to make violent threats, allows you to sue people under the law for libel & slander, & have stance of authorities to use power the are afforded to shut people under matters of national security... Some right that is.

Your rights end where someone else's begin. Do we really have to go over the basics or are you going to stop being disingenuous?

regardless of what rights we believe in, i think redefining internet hardware as a public space is forcing companies to to associate and thereby transforming freedom of speech from a negative liberty right to a positive liberty right. you now must positively provide people with a platform, rather than step out of the way.

How do you square that given that it implies entitlement to labour?

I thought you were on the ancap end of things

i'm not in support of doing that

Ah ok

positive doesnt mean good in this context

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_rights

I didn't mean because of the use of positive and negative rights

oh

I went from Ancap to Minarchist. I'm familiar

You mean, monarchist

I am thinking we are getting out figurative grounds of the analogy, Beemann, that I am trying to use to illustrate the base user to base user interaction, because in real life you can kill someone to shut them up, all analogies break down due to not being the literally thing it is being used to compared to. The reddit rules, moderation, & administration structure is not the semi-similar, but not a government structure that we assume acknowledges, allows & limits the bounds of laws & rights . The concept of the analogy is that ignore & criticize content while propping up other content with attention & praise, both content that was allowed to exist to compete against the other.

No, I mean minarchist, @missdanger
@da britian moderation is authoritarian by necessity, and the base system of Reddit lends itself to an underlying mob rule. Trying to draw weak comparisons to public squares wont work because it *isn't a good analogy*

But what can a mob on reddit actually do? Sure, the can upvote stuff & downvote stuff, they can comment on stuff, but they can't remove stuff.

They can systematically flag down content and make it much harder to find, to the point where it isn't shown by default

The same can be done by not commenting early enough on a post, is it unfair to those who did not jump early enough in on content. Or say discord where if you post something you want to talk about some but fifty spam them out , then is it not unfair opinion is drowned out. Even if we were to take out those downvotes out of reddits system, then people the most popular opinions floats to the top, while the unpopular ones don't. Each of these systems works to the benefit of one group over the other, but depending on what you want for the structure discussion & content organization, you are probably going to pick one of them, or a mix them (this one being the one reddit falls into sort-of).

Alternatively you can create a system that outputs content randomly, which is as close of system that is non-discrimatory.

Having more posts is not the same as *hiding* posts

Can we get an honest comparison here?

No aspect of discord works in the way reddit does

There is no inherent feature of discord where say 10 users can modify what others see by default

10 users can comment each to displace content a margin of ten guaranteed. If you want the see it then you have to put more effort in by scrolling up.

Already addressed this

Heck it would be worse on discord in concept because you can only down vote a post once on Reddit, where as you just need one person to make as many comments as they please to displace someone with a bunch of embedded link. Though that is one downside to the discord structure, not a reason for why discord should be considered terrible.

https://twitter.com/jimmy_dore/status/1032734078720569344

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Have the left excommunicated him?

So here's the funny thing:
The left has always alleged media bias because the "bigwigs want money and defend the capitalist system" (see Manufacting Consent by Chomsky)
The right has always alleged media bias because polling, geography and contributions have always said the media is far more on the left than the right.

What happens when the two come together to because the bigwigs want H1Bs and the broader left wants to get paid out?