Message from Blackhawk342 in Subverse #debate
Everything is an investment of time and assets
I certainly don’t agree with corporate donations but speaking with him, brought me the realisation that a lot of these people were once at the bottom of society and they have grown accustomed to their newfound positions.
Yeah like hard work pays off
The upper middle class are what the left would call "class traitors"
I dont find my meaning in a class structure I am an individual and wish to be treated as such
If others do not wish to be treated as individuals thats fine but they are not gonna rope me into their bs
Well actually know that I think about it. Would a factory owner be upper middle class, or lower upper class
Depends on his income
Well he has 125 employees
So must be pretty high but not super high
Upper middle makes more sense
Upper class generally are at the point where their wealth can sustain them without needing to work at all
Yah he’s not the .01%
But then wouldn’t doctors not count as upper middle class
Cuz they need to work
Depends how much they make
And yes they do, but there are large investment firms for a reason
Doctors still have to work which would make them lower upper class
Most of the extreme upper class still work
Because while they could quit and be ok financially, their passive wealth generation isnt at the point where it can replace their career
I think maybe doctors are upper middle class an then factory workers are lower upper class. However high up doctors can be lower upper class and even higher
Maybe middle upper class
Saudi oil barons
The royal family
Elon musk more convinces the government to give him money than actually make it these days
Xi xing ping is kinda an emperor trying to reign in capitalism
He’ll die if he keeps it up
Work is a requirement pretty much its just how and what you do
And what your ancestors did
In the royals cases
He's upper middle class in income and by the traditional mercantile ways of capitalism (he can spend freely on stuff that doesn't matter and probably has a nice savings account). If he started as a car salesman and isn't degreed or rub elbows with the right people he's lower class by the rising Brahmins of American society in the Media, Academia, Hollywood and the government.
Basically, he's probably wealthy enough to buy anything he really wants within reason, but not so wealthy he could not work (or if he did, he'd lose alot of his current lifestyle). Upper middle class.
But that's not much respect these days for some reason. I can't put my finger on it, but I feel like there's an attitude on the rise that cares more about saying the right things and being in the right circles more than individual success. And it's taking over the cultural and political centers.
Upper class is where you can just take a vacation whenever you want and live in a nice house with a nice car.
Extreme uppre class is when you can just luxury spend on whatever you may want.
Working or not working comes down more to what you are willing to live on.
Proposition: the new division politically will not be economics. It will be on the nation and local control versus global control and institutions.
The result is that all this "I'm center left, I'm center right" everyone keeps saying on this server isn't going to matter as much in 6 years.
Agree or disagree?
On this server? Agree. I don't think there's much changing minds going on here as we tend to agree on a lot of stuff.